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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
From: arvindersingh () mail2tor com
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:49:14 +0100
Kevin first thank you for posting to NANOG to help with the issues...not every day we see Comcast executive on engineering mailing lists. *LOL* I have two issues with the comments: 1. You mention that congestion issues to Comcast peers are temporary. I notice AS6543 "Tata Communication" - major backbone provider to my home country - very very congested for over three years. Will your engineers kindly update the connection as priority? 2. You mention that all packets treated equally - no games. Why does AS7922 assign the speed test different DSCP from regular internet connection? Arvinder S.
This is a smart group. If if that was true I think every internet site / service one visits from home would be a negatively impacted. That is not the case As I said before, Comcast also has over 40 balanced peers with plenty of capacity. Wholesale $$ are very small, highly competitive and only "skin in the game" to promote efficiencies - KevinOn May 15, 2014, at 12:01 PM, "Jared Mauch" <jared () puck nether net> wrote:On May 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, McElearney, Kevin <Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com> wrote: There is no gaming on measurements and disputes are isolated and temporary with issues not unique over the history of the internet. I think all the same rhetorical quotes continue to be reusedKevin, in the past most issues were transient for a few months as both sides got complaints, but while at RIPE earlier this week someone commented to me: there's no one provider you can buy access from to get a packet-loss free connection to all their other business partners/customers. This hurts the entire marketplace when there is persistent congestion. Some of these issues are related to (as Craig called them) "Hypergiants" (OTT) but others are due to providers having poor capital models so they don't have "budget" for upgrading unless someone pays for that upgrade, vs seeing their existing customer base as that source for the capital. As an engineer, I'm hopeful that those responsible for budgeting will do the right thing. As a greedy capitalist, please pay me more $$$. It does feel a bit like tic-tac-toe with zero players in wargames though, the only way to win is to not play [games]. - Jared
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Blake Dunlap (May 15)
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Paul Ferguson (May 15)
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