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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:20:51 +0000
Bill, I did not change "whenever I demand it" to "all the time". You're hand-waving now. I clearly said that users can't all demand their maximum bandwidth at the same time. That's nothing like "all the time." Every house can't use its 200 amps at the same time, which happens when everyone turns on their AC on a hot day. The electrical grid is not built to the worst case scenario, and it does in fact break down when those events happen. Your shower example is perfect. Yes, you can get 120A tankless water heating for a brief interval. But not "whenever you demand it." If you demand it while the everyone is experiencing an HVAC-induced brownout on a hot day, your won't get it. Period. You never responded to my "BillsNet" real-world example. Is that a straw-man argument too? -mel On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:02 PM, William Herrin <bill () herrin us<mailto:bill () herrin us>> wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org<mailto:mel () beckman org>> wrote: In what way is my argument a straw man? I specifically address the assertion you make, that an ISP must deliver X Mbps whenever you demand it, by explaining the real world essential practice of oversubscription. You changed "whenever I demand it" to "all the time" and then proceeded to argue that if everybody used their whole bandwidth all the time, oversubscription wouldn't work and therefore Internet connections would cost thousands of dollars. Well sure, if every house used 200 amps all the time the electric gird would collapse. Yet somehow when my 120 amp tankless electric water heater kicks on for my morning shower I don't black out the city. How could that possibly be? It's a straw man, Mel. Own up to it and move on. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com<mailto:herrin () dirtside com> bill () herrin us<mailto:bill () herrin us> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Scott Helms (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Tom Taylor (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality John Levine (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: utility capacity, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mike Hammett (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality William Herrin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Mel Beckman (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Stephen Satchell (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Adam Rothschild (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Stephen Satchell (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Lamar Owen (Feb 28)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 27)
- Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality David Bass (Feb 27)