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Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:26:49 -0400
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:54:37 -0400, Joe Maimon said:
This objection hinges on the assumption that if there is even ONE host on the network that will not accept that address, then the entire effort was a waste.
"if there's even ONE host" isn't the assertion, so do us a favor and don't claim it is. The problem is that *successfully* using the class E space for anything depends on it having pretty damned ubiquitous support. Statistics problem for you: Assuming an average hop count of 14, what percentage of intermediate routers need to support it in order to provide a 90% chance that a connection will make it through? Answer: 99.3% have to upgrade. Statistics problem 2: Assuming a 90% upgrade and 14 hops, what's the chance that a given connection works? Answer: Only 22.8%. (Yea, 0.9**14 nosedives pretty quickly). Are you starting to see the problem here?
Because there would then be no difference to the many many IPv4 (and IPv6) updates that were made with no guarantee of universal adoption.
The difference is that pretty much all of those other IPv4 updates were designed in such a way that failure to implement them just means failure to use *that feature*, and you could still talk unless using that feature was deemed critical to the connection. Somebody doesn't do ECN? You still talk, just without being able to use ECN. Somebody doesn't do QoS tagging? You still talk, just without being able to use QoS. Somebody doesn't do SACK? You still talk, just without being able to use SACK. Somebody doesn't do Class E? You still talk, just without being able to use Class E. Do you remember on Sesame Street, the game "one of these things is not like the others?"
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- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion, (continued)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Shane Ronan (Jul 17)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Owen DeLong (Jul 18)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Lee Howard (Jul 16)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Joe Maimon (Jul 16)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Lee Howard (Jul 16)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Joe Maimon (Jul 17)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion John Levine (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Joe Maimon (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion John R. Levine (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Paul Ferguson (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 17)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Owen DeLong (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Joe Maimon (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Karl Auer (Jul 14)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Randy Bush (Jul 14)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Randy Bush (Jul 14)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Karl Auer (Jul 14)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Randy Bush (Jul 14)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion David Conrad (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Owen DeLong (Jul 15)
- Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion Ricky Beam (Jul 15)