Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

[Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>]

Daniel,

The sold speeds are all actually less than the actual speeds. The PON
customers are slightly over provisioned and the DOCSIS customers are over
provisioned a bit more.
On Mar 2, 2015 10:01 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com> wrote:

> What do those 25 and 50Mb/s download rates amount to in practice?
>
> Statistically speaking, those might *be* symmetric.
>
> On 03/02/2015 08:41 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> > Daniel,
> > For the third or fourth time in this discussion we are tracking and
> > customer satisfaction for users who do have symmetrical bandwidth >24 mbps
> > and have for a number of years.
> >
> > We see customer usage patterns and satisfaction being statically the same
> > on 25/25 and 25/8 accounts.  The same is true when we look at 50/50 versus
> > 50/12 accounts.
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2015 9:22 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:
> > dtaylor () vocalabs com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
> >     Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.
> >
> >     People don't miss what they have never had.
> >
> >     On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
> >
> >
> >         That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to
> >         understand is that for most of the technologies we use for
> >         broadband there simply is less upstream capacity than
> >         downstream.  That upstream scarcity means that for DSL,
> >         DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream
> >         bandwidth will cost the service provider more which means at
> >         some point it will cost consumers more.
> >
> >         WiFi is a special case, while there is no theoretical reason
> >         it must be asymmetrical but it works that way in practice
> >         because dedicated APs invariably have both higher transmit
> >         power and much better antenna gain.  The average AP in the US
> >         will put out a watt or more while clients are putting out ~250
> >         milliwatts and with 0 antenna gain.
> >
> >         On Mar 2, 2015 8:58 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com
> >         <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com> <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com
> >         <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com>>> wrote:
> >
> >             Personally?
> >             If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.
> >
> >             That way my uploads would take even less time.
> >
> >             It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long
> >         each event
> >             takes, and backing up 4GB of files off-site shouldn't have
> >         to take
> >             an hour.
> >
> >             On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
> >
> >                 Daniel,
> >
> >
> >                 "50MB/s might be tough to fill, but even at home I can get
> >                 good use out of the odd 25MB/s upstream burst for a
> >         few minutes."
> >
> >                 Which would you choose, 50/50 or 75/25?  My point is
> >         not that
> >                 upstream speed isn't valuable, but merely that demand
> >         for it
> >                 isn't symmetrical and unless the market changes won't
> >         be in
> >                 the near term.  Downstream demand is growing, in most
> >         markets
> >                 I can see, much faster than upstream demand.
> >
> >
> >
> >                 Scott Helms
> >                 Vice President of Technology
> >                 ZCorum
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> >
> >
> >             --     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations Vocal
> >             Laboratories, Inc.
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> >
> >
> >
> >     --     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal
> >     Laboratories, Inc.
> >     dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com>
> >     http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711 <tel:%28612%29235-5711>
>
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> Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
> dtaylor () vocalabs com   http://www.vocalabs.com/            (612)235-5711