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Re: Peering and Network Cost
From: Dave Taht <dave.taht () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 09:59:09 -0700
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Max Tulyev <maxtul () netassist ua> wrote:
Hi Roderick, transit cost is lowering close to peering cost, so it is doubghtful economy on small channels. If you don't live in Amsterdam/Frankfurt/London - add the DWDM cost from you to one of major IX. That's the magic. In large scale peering is still efficient. It is efficient on local traffic which is often huge.
Two things I am curious about are 1) What is the measured benefit of moving a netflix server into your local ISP network and 2) does anyone measure "cross town latency". If we lived in a world where skype/voip/etc transited the local town only, what sort of latencies would be see within an ISP and within a cross-connect from, say a gfiber to a comcast? Once upon a time I'd heard that most phone calls were within 6 miles of the person's home, but I don't remember the breakdown of those call percentages (?), and certainly the old-style phone system was achieving very low latencies for those kinds of traffic.
On 04/15/15 17:28, Rod Beck wrote:Hi, As you all know, transit costs in the wholesale market today a few percent of what it did in 2000. I assume that most of that decline is due to a modified version of Moore's Law (I don't believe optics costs decline 50% every 18 months) and the advent of maverick players like Cogent that broker cozy oligopoly pricing. But I also wondering whether the advent of widespread peering (promiscuous?) among the Tier 2 players (buy transit and peer) has played a role. In 2000 peering was still an exclusive club and in contrast today Tier 2 players often have hundreds of peers. Peering should reduce costs and also demand in the wholesale IP market. Supply increases and demand falls. I thank you in advance for any insights. Regards, - R. Roderick Beck Sales Director/Europe and the Americas Hibernia Networks This e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may be proprietary and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, without the prior written permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately telephone or e-mail the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof. All documents, contracts or agreements referred or attached to this e-mail are SUBJECT TO CONTRACT. The contents of an attachment to this e-mail may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer system. While Hibernia Networks has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. You should carry out yourown virus checks before opening any attachment.
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Current thread:
- Re: Peering and Network Cost James Bensley (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Rafael Possamai (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Mike Hammett (May 21)
- RE: Peering and Network Cost Eric Dugas (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost James Bensley (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Mike Hammett (May 21)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Dave Taht (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Mark Tinka (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Anthony Kosednar (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Jay Ashworth (May 23)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost joel jaeggli (May 25)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Mark Tinka (May 21)
- Re: Peering and Network Cost Rafael Possamai (May 21)