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Re: Thank you, Comcast.


From: Maxwell Cole <mcole.mailinglists () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 09:18:50 -0500

I agree,

At the very least things like SNMP/NTP should be blocked. I mean how many people actually run a legit NTP server out of 
their home? Dozens? And the people who run SNMP devices with the default/common communities aren’t the ones using it. 

If the argument is that you need a Business class account to run a mail server then I have no problem extending that to 
DNS servers also.

Cheers,
Max

On Feb 26, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2016, Nick Hilliard wrote:

Traffic from dns-spoofing attacks generally has src port = 53 and dst port = random.  If you block packets with udp 
src port=53 towards customers, you will also block legitimate return traffic if the customers run their own DNS 
servers or use opendns / google dns / etc.

Sure, it's a very interesting discussion what ports should be blocked or not.

http://www.bitag.org/documents/Port-Blocking.pdf

This mentions on page 3.1, TCP(UDP)/25,135,139 and 445. They've been blocked for a very long time to fix some issues, 
even though there is legitimate use for these ports.

So if you're blocking these ports, it seems like a small step to block UDP/TCP/53 towards customers as well. I can't 
come up with an argument that makes sense to block TCP/25 and then not block port UDP/TCP/53 as well. If you're 
protecting the Internet from your customers misconfiguraiton by blocking port 25 and the MS ports, why not 53 as well?

This is a slippery slope of course, and judgement calls are not easy to make.

-- 
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike () swm pp se


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