RE: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

["Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>]

You obviously have a much shorter Internet memory than some of the engineers on here that have had a long history of 
killing off and blacklisting various spam and malware operations over the years.  I think the one thing that has 
changed is that the service providers are now large corporate entities that do not take going to war with each other as 
lightly as we did back in the day.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Oquendo [mailto:joquendo () e-fensive net] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:17 PM
> To: Phil Rosenthal
> Cc: Naslund, Steve; nanog () nanog org
> Subject: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks
>
>
> While many are chanting: #NetworkLivesMatter, I have yet to see, read, or hear about any network provider being the 
> first to set precedence by either de-peering, or blocking traffic from Cloudflare. There is a lot of keyboard 
> > posturing: "I am mad and I am not going to take it anymore" hooplah but no one is lifting a finger to do anything 
> other than regurgitate "I am mad... This is criminal."
>
> Government in the US is not going to get involved as the financial cost won't warrant an investigation. Would you 
> spend $100 to tow a car worth $1. Cloudflare, Amazon, Rackspace, and countless others are, and have been allowing the 
> > same thing since the dawn of their creation and network operators... Shame on you for allowing it.
>
> It is legal? Is it moral? Does it serve a real world benefit? (booters). Let's get real these booters serve little 
> purpose. Anyone can go back to romper room and do the simple math: I have a 100mb pipe, if someone sends me 200mb 
> > will it flood me? A pre-schooler can give anyone the answer. Yet here is everyone chiming in on legal matters when 
> not one respondent that I have seen is a lawyer.
>
> I wrote about this in my rambling which is linked in the NANOG LinkedIn group: "Why Do Networking Providers Like 
> Cybercriminals So Much" and the responses I have read on this thread, make me believe it more so. Networking operators 
> > could give a rats ass about doing anything about DDoS, viruses. etc., since it is a source of revenue down the daisy 
> chain. Like it or not. I would be surprised if ANYONE in this NOG, or any other "NOG" de-peered out of principle. 
> > With that said, I don't even know why this thread is being continued. 
>
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