Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net>]

> They deserve all the bad publicity that comes with such a
anti-customer decision and the blame for their implementation choices
cannot be passed back to the content providers.

Content Providers: Block VPN and tunnel services.
Netflix: That really isn't the best way of doing this
Content Providers: I don't care, do it or we pull our content.

Someone here from BBC effectively said the exact same thing. Netflix has no
where near enough original content to have their providers all pull out.


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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Scott Morizot <tmorizot () gmail com> wrote:

> Nonsense. That is hardly their only option as many others have pointed out.
> It's a deliberate and technically lazy choice to block 6in4 tunnels. Those
> are not even vaguely the same thing as a VPN. They've decided to break
> normal IPv6 support and do so in a way that does not even fall back to
> IPv4. They deserve all the bad publicity that comes with such a
> anti-customer decision and the blame for their implementation choices
> cannot be passed back to the content providers.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com> wrote:
>
> > Netflix IS acting in their user's best interest. In order to provide
> > content that the user's want, the content providers have mandated that
> they
> > do their due diligence to block out of region users including VPN and
> open
> > tunnel access. As Hulu and Amazon prime become more popular and their
> > contracts with the content provides come due, they will have to also.
> >
> > You can argue about the content provides business model all you want, but
> > Netflix has to do what they are doing. They aren't blocking IPv6 users,
> > they are blocking users that are using VPNs and/or tunnels since their
> > currently is no practical way of providing GEOIP information about that
> > users that the content providers require.
> >
> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Scott
> Morizot
> > > Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 10:50 AM
> > > To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu>
> > > Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
> > >
> > > I have Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. The only thing I would miss from
> > > Netflix
> > > is their Marvel original series. And I can live with that. I can't live
> > > without my IPv6 enabled home network and Internet connection since
> > > that's
> > > an essential part of my job. (I'm the IPv6 transition technical lead
> > > for a
> > > large organization.) While I actually manage my home internet gateway
> > > through a linux server and have fine-grained control over the firewall
> > > rules, I'm still debating whether I care enough about a handful of
> > > series
> > > to continue paying a company that is deliberately acting against its
> > > users'
> > > interests. Right now I'm leaning toward no. But I'll discuss it with my
> > > wife before making a final decision.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 6/Jun/16 01:45, Damian Menscher wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Who are these non-technical Netflix users who accidentally stumbled
> > > into
> > > > > having a HE tunnel broker connection without their knowledge?  I
> > > wasn't
> > > > > aware this sort of thing could happen without user consent, and
> > > would
> > > > like
> > > > > to know if I'm wrong.  Only thing I can imagine is if ISPs are
> > > using HE
> > > > as
> > > > > a form of CGN.
> > > >
> > > > There are several networks around the world that rely on 6-in-4
> > > because
> > > > their local provider does not offer IPv6.
> > > >
> > > > Mark.