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Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels
From: "Ricky Beam" <jfbeam () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:27:35 -0400
On Thu, 09 Jun 2016 23:57:08 -0400, Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:
zero interoperability, and no viable migration paths, it's a Forklift Upgrade(tm).You say that with such confidence! Doesn't make it true.https://archive.psg.com/120206.nanog-v4-life-extension.pdf randy, who works for the first isp to deploy ipv6 to customers
Also, the Randy who closed the ngtrans working group "declar[ing] victory" yet having produced nothing. Dual stack is not a transition plan, and never has been. It's a key factor in why we have such a fractured adoption today.
If you've been completely ignoring IPv6 for 20 years, then it is indeed a steep learning curve[*]. If you haven't been upgrading equipment, shame on you! Otherwise, you've ended up with "IPv6 Capable(TM)" completely by accident, but you still have to deploy IPv6. On the scale of a large service provider (or enterprise, for that matter), that's not a trivial process. While *I* could upgrade the tiny island of the multi-national corp I work for [10 people, 1 (linux) router, 36 public facing networks] overnight via a plan drawn on the back of cocktail napkin over a long lunch, doing that over the entire global network is not going to happen overnight; the other offices have much more involved infrastructure.
I'd like to hear from the Comcast's, TWC's, and Uverse's just how many man-hours were involved in the planning, testing, training, deployment, and troubleshooting of their IPv6 "transition". (I have a ppt of the Uverse 6rd plan. I cannot imagine that mere document was produced in lass than a day, not counting the data behind all those slides.)
[*] As I joked with a business partner recently as he had to learn "all this crap about IPv6" for his CCIE recert, "you're a DoD contractor. They've had an 'IPv6 Mandate' for decades. I still have the memo." That mandate is for "IPv6 Capable"; they don't have any actual v6 anywhere.
Current thread:
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels, (continued)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Donn Lasher via NANOG (Jun 20)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Harald Koch (Jun 20)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Ricky Beam (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Karl Auer (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Randy Bush (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Karl Auer (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Ca By (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Masataka Ohta (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Masataka Ohta (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Ricky Beam (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Randy Bush (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Mark Andrews (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Cryptographrix (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Cryptographrix (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Owen DeLong (Jun 12)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels [really: IPv6 adoption] bzs (Jun 10)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Randy Bush (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Mark Andrews (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Mark Foster (Jun 09)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Mark Andrews (Jun 09)