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Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11
From: bzs () TheWorld com
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 16:26:17 -0400
I'm not sure who you mean when you say "people". My reference was to manufacturers of IoT devices only. But as I said in the note which you quoted lawsuits might be helpful but aren't necessary. One just has to get underwriters of the manufacturers' product liability insurance to acknowledge they have not fully assessed future financial risks of those policies. Since manufacturers probably won't like those new increased premiums, and it's within their control to improve the potential product liability and get their insurance premiums lowered, they would likely respond by improving their product (i.e.. security.) Put in simple terms if your auto insurance company told you your annual premiums are going up because your tires are bad (whatever) you might consider getting new tires particularly if the net cost (increased premiums year after year vs cost of tires) was positive to you. Please for the love of all that is sane and reasonable don't quibble about tires and insurance. If you have a pile of fire-prone materials near your house, no railings on steps, whatever, you're likely to prioritize fixing that if your premiums go up sufficiently. Since manufacturers have huge multipliers (number of devices, number of potential liability claims) this sort of approach can and has been effective. On October 23, 2016 at 16:46 deleskie () gmail com (jim deleskie) wrote:
Sure lets sue people because they put too many/bad packets/packets I don't like on the internet. Do you think this will really solve the porblem? Do you think we'll not just all end up with internet prices like US medical care prices? On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:41 PM, <bzs () theworld com> wrote:So once identified, how do you suggest this gets fixed?Assuming these manufacturers who are culpable carry product liability insurance go to their insurance companies and explain the situation. Better would be someone launching a product liability lawsuit against one of them but it's not necessary, ins cos work on projections and probabilities as much as being reactive. The insurance companies will likely re-assess their risk on these policies and inform the manufacturers of any adjustment in premiums. If the premiums are adjusted up significantly the manufacturers will sit down with the ins cos and try to determine what needs to be improved in their product to bring premiums back down. Look at what Samsung just went thru with the Note 7. I'd imagine their product liability insurance premiums took a big hit. Even if they're self-insured they have to treat that as a cost center and make sure sufficient money to pay claims is going into that cost center. It's a button to push, so to speak, and has been successful many times in the past (cars, worker exposure to health hazards, etc.) -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
-- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
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