Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com>]

I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to Buffalo. Just a fact.


- R.


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From: Jason Lixfeld <jason () lixfeld ca>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: nanog () nanog org; ahebert () pubnix net
Subject: Re: Bell outage

I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural, diverse route between the two locations, as is 
the case with the many routes running east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350 Main.  It’s great for 
non latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails, but it sucks for latency sensitive traffic if your short path 
fails.

What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency routes between two longish haul points that can 
only be connected by one major highway and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood that the even a 
single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m sure it's trivial to get geo diverse routes out of any major 
carrier hotel, but what about the in between bits?

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com> wrote:
>
> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario separating the key hubs on each side of 
> the border, 151 Front Street and 350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at 
> certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Alain Hebert <ahebert () pubnix net>
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
>     Well,
>
>     We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
>
>     And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> conduit.
>
>     You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
>
>     And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
>
>     PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> under "that" bridge, a few years back?
>
> -----
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> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big 
> Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...
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>
> On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:
> > And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
> > happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
> > significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers
> > had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.
> >
> > That didnt work out.
> >
> > Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
> > tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or
> > where, readily.
> >
> > /kc
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
> > >   Well,
> > >
> > >   Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
> > > actually doing it, happen way too often.
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Alain Hebert                                ahebert () pubnix net
> > > PubNIX Inc.
> > > 50 boul. St-Charles
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> > > Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.net    Fax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". 
At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...


> PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". 
At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...


> www.pubnix.net<http://www.pubnix.net>
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". 
At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...


> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that offers you an alternative to "Big 
> Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to providing you ...
>
>
> >