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Re: Free access to measurement network
From: Lee <ler762 () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:46:19 -0500
On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out. The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That data is available directly on their site or via some sites like broadbandnow.com
I didn't know about that - thanks. But it just confirms what I thought; my choices are comcast & verizon. There is another possibility, but $350/mo for 10Mb/s with a 24 month contract is too steep.
There are also many service providers available that aren't filing because either A) they don't know about it or B) government stuff. My point was that consumers voted out thousands of independents by taking service from incumbents instead of independents. Thousands have closed up shop. Where independents are available, it's still tough getting customers if the incumbents have a service that mostly works (over say 5 to 10 megs), even if the independent offers service comparable to the incumbent's advertisements.
As a consumer, how much extra are you willing to pay for good service? Because I'm guessing that's about all a small independent can offer that's better than the local (mono|duo)poly. So while I think I get your point, I see it more as consumers voting with their wallets rather than voting out independents. Regards, Lee
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" <ler762 () gmail com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> Cc: nanog () nanog org Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 2:16:38 PM Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:It's a consumer thing. If consumers wanted more options, they would be supporting those options with their wallets. They don't.As far as I know, my options for >50Mb/s are comcast and verizon. https://www.broadbandmap.gov/ sez Please note: National Broadband Map data is from June 30, 2014 and is no longer being updated. How do I find out what my other options are? Thanks, Lee----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Tulyev" <maxtul () netassist ua> To: nanog () nanog org Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 4:43:54 AM Subject: Re: Free access to measurement network So for my point of view, better solution is to push some law that ease access to the buildings for ISPs. 15.12.17 19:40, valdis.kletnieks () vt edu пише:On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 07:47:42 -0500, Dovid Bender said:What kind of internet are these devices on? With Net Neutrality gone here in the US it would be a good way to measure certain services such as SIP to see which ISP's if any are tampering with packets.Given previous history, the answer will probably be "most of them". "The results are not inspiring. More than 129 million people are limited to a single provider for broadband Internet access using the FCC definition of 25 Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload. Out of those 129 million Americans, about 52 million must obtain Internet access from a company that has violated network neutrality protections in the past and continues to undermine the policy today. In locations where subscribers have the benefit of limited competition, the situation isn't much better. Among the 146 million Americans with the ability to choose between two providers, 48 million Americans must choose between two companies that have a record of violating network neutrality." https://muninetworks.org/content/177-million-americans-harmed-net-neutrality
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- Re: Free access to measurement network, (continued)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Janusz Jezowicz (Dec 15)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mel Beckman (Dec 15)
- Re: Free access to measurement network valdis . kletnieks (Dec 15)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Max Tulyev (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network David Conrad (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Lee (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network John Osmon (Dec 16)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Lee (Dec 17)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 17)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Janusz Jezowicz (Dec 15)
- RE: Free access to measurement network Edwin Pers (Dec 18)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 18)
- RE: Free access to measurement network timrutherford (Dec 18)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 18)
- RE: Free access to measurement network Naslund, Steve (Dec 18)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 18)
- RE: Free access to measurement network Naslund, Steve (Dec 18)
- Re: Free access to measurement network Mike Hammett (Dec 18)
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- RE: Free access to measurement network Naslund, Steve (Dec 18)