Re: Some advice on IPv6 planning and ARIN request, please

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

Oliver,

I’ll mostly second what Bill has said here. However, I encourage you to actually
consider a /48 per guest room as well as a /48 per hotel for the hotel itself.

Yes, this is excessive, but IPv6 was designed with these types of excesses in mind.

We don’t yet know the scope and breadth of what will come out of IoT development,
but one thing we do know for sure… Development tends to get stymied by whatever
turns into the lowest common denominator among available technologies out there,
so if 10 hotel chains give their guests /48s and 2 give out /60s and one gives
out /64s, development may well lock everyone into nothing better than what can
be done with a /64 even if better is available.

We’ve seen this time and again with products that depend on autodiscovery processes
that rely on everything being on the same LAN and assume that they can just trust
the NAT router to protect that LAN from anything else. This is clearly a very bad
strategy to anyone who understands networking, yet if you walk into your local
Best Buy, more of the “internet enabled” products on the shelf have this behavior
than don’t… Far more.

Owen

> On Jul 7, 2017, at 17:39 , Oliver O'Boyle <oliver.oboyle () gmail com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the input. I don't consider us an isp, though i suppose i can
> see how that argument could me made. Hotels are both simple and
> complicated. There is a mix of our staff and equipment, guests and their
> equipment, and brands with their equipment. But really it's just one
> operating entity that ultimayely isn't that much different than any other
> enterprise out there. Now multiply that by 60-65 sites spread across the
> country and we need to manage our 6000 staff and networks accordingly. We
> operate 100% of the hotel, top to bottom, not just the technology.
>
> I wouldn't want ARIN or anyone else thinking we were an ISP if we aren't.
> Particulary if that creates problems in the future as rules (and possibly
> costs) change.
>
> However, if what you are saying is that registerong as an ISP is actually
> the correct way to go about this in ARIN's eyes as well, then that's a
> different story.
>
> Thanks for the tip on IoT sizing. That's precisely the kind of thing i am
> concerned about being constrained with in the future if we size sites too
> small.
>
> Oliver
>
> On Jul 7, 2017 6:18 PM, "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Oliver O'Boyle <oliver.oboyle () gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > We're an end-user org and qualify for a /40 assignment because we operate
> > over 60 sites and some of those are/will be multihomed.
>
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> I second Ken's notion. You're trying to be an ISP under the end-user rules.
> However transient, your users are mostly customers rather than staff. Just
> register as an ISP and get the default /32.
>
> IIRC, ARIN sparsely allocates IPv6 so if you go back for more addresses
> there is a high probability they'll just increase your netmask.
>
> Finally, /56 or /60 per guest, not /64. IPv6 can do nifty IoT things like
> collecting all of a guest's devices behind his personal firewall but it
> doesn't work if you've only assigned a /64.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
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