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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world


From: Luke Guillory <lguillory () reservetele com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:29:33 +0000

The comment I was originally replying to was the following. I’ve said edge resources, nothing about WAN.

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the
Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the
ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box
then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.




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On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:22 AM, K. Scott Helms <kscotthelms () gmail com<mailto:kscotthelms () gmail com>> wrote:


It's not helpful for saving resources in DOCSIS (nor any other) edge networks.  The economics mean that, as bits get 
sold in the US and many other places, it won't be in the foreseeable future.  Customers care about popular video 
sources.  Popular content sources have CDNs with local nodes and/or direct (low cost) connections to their CDN.  That's 
far more efficient than allowing multicast across WAN links.

K. Scott Helms




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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Luke Guillory <lguillory () reservetele com<mailto:lguillory () reservetele com>> 
wrote:
I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards to local edge delivery, that’s capital expenditures not MRCs.

Our edge networks aren’t unlimited or free, so while it’s not costing me on the transit side there still are cost in 
terms of upgrades and so on.

My point is that In some networks such as docsis conserving edge resources can be helped with multicast.



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On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com<mailto:baldur.norddahl () gmail 
com><mailto:baldur.norddahl () gmail com<mailto:baldur.norddahl () gmail com>>> wrote:

Den 21. nov. 2017 00.42 skrev "Luke Guillory" <lguillory () reservetele com<mailto:lguillory () reservetele 
com><mailto:lguillory () reservetele com<mailto:lguillory () reservetele com>>>:

Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv I’m
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something
popular like the Super Bowl. Especially if I’m doing this over docsis.



You pay for 95th percentile. If that is decided by everyone watching Game
of Thrones one day, then using the same resources for Super Bowl the next
day will be for free.




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