Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

[Jason Lixfeld <jason+nanog () lixfeld ca>]

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> On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton () MNSi Net> wrote:
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> TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful.
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> https://www.torix.ca/ <https://www.torix.ca/> 
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> A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service.
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> Thave a very transparent process.  Their pricing is listed up front on their website:
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> https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing <https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing>
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> At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > As far as neutral, I meant separate from the datacenters in which they're housed. People in NA seem to think there 
> > are only two kinds of IXes, Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types.
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> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> >
> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> >
> > From: "Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy () gmail com>
> > To: "NANOG Mailing List" <nanog () nanog org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
> >
> > The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer services (such as extended reach) 
> > that don’t have the same profit margins or ROI as for-profits.
> > This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and fewer customers allowing them to grow and 
> > expand without increased aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads to a richer array of providers and chips 
> > away at the monopolies in niche markets.
> >
> > The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing value to the broader community and the Internet as a whole - especially 
> > somewhere like Australia which has unique constraints.
> >
> > Additionally, “Neutral” and For-Profit doesn’t always compute in my mind, there will always be commercial 
> > alliances that lead to not-total neutrality.
> > When a NFP is owned by it’s members there has to be 100% transparency in organisational decisions around member 
> > funds and resources which ensures accountability reliability.
> >
> > - Tim
> >
> >
> > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com> wrote:
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> > > On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote:
> > > > Probably price.  Also perception of value.  If you're a for profit enterprise then they're paying for 
> > > > interconnection plus your bump.  If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because 
> > > > there's no bump.  Whether that's true or not, who knows but that's the perception I've heard.
> > >
> > > Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd almost compare it to how the hospitals are here in Boise.
> > >
> > > The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, price gouging, etc.  Their care can be pretty meh, esp since they 
> > > bought up all the little independent clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit).
> > >
> > > The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals run a pretty tight ship, better value for their money, service is 
> > > very good, and compete with one another for who has the best service.
> > >
> > > People think they are getting 'better' because they are going to a place that is supposed to be run to benefit 
> > > people over profit, but alas, you'd be very very wrong.
> > > -- 
> > > Brielle Bruns
> > > The Summit Open Source Development Group
> > > http://www.sosdg.org <http://www.sosdg.org/>     /     http://www.ahbl.org <http://www.ahbl.org/> 
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> Clayton Zekelman
> Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)
> 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E
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> N8W 1H4
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