Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

I guess today shows how important vendor diversity can be. :-) 




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From: "Mehmet Akcin" <mehmet () akcin net> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
Cc: "Ben Cannon" <ben () 6by7 net>, "nanog" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 2:51:38 PM 
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea) 



Back to main discussion.... 


How do we choose the best transport? 


One question, how much people care about vendor diversity? I do and did care. I don’t want to put all my eggs in one 
basket. Do you care? Thank you 


Mehmet 



On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:30 Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 




I haven't. 

Sure, but the equipment still does smaller channels. Going to 100G or 400G for just over 10G seems silly. 

If Equinix had reasonable cross connects, I'd just LAG 10Gs. The cost of a pair of Equinix cross connects isn't much 
less than the 10G wave. Thankfully I'm only in one datacenter with such a ridiculous model. 




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From: "Ben Cannon" < ben () 6by7 net > 
To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog () ics-il net > 
Cc: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory () reservetele com >, "nanog" < nanog () nanog org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 1:27:21 PM 



Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea) 

Mike have you looked at Packetlight? Long-haul is mostly jumping to 100 or even 400g coherent. 


-Ben 

On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 


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FS had one, but it's not on their site anymore. 




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From: "Luke Guillory" < lguillory () reservetele com > 
To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog () ics-il net > 
Cc: "Eric Dugas" < edugas () unknowndevice ca >, "nanog" < nanog () nanog org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 10:52:19 AM 
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea) 


No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder? 





Sent from my iPad 

On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 


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heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G transport. My equipment supports 40G. The 
carriers aren't terribly interested in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one quote was over 4x a 
10G). 100G-capable switches cost too much. Equinix charges as much for a pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers 
aren't likely to be interested in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the ridiculous cross connect charges. 

This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path forward. 




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From: "Eric Dugas" < edugas () unknowndevice ca > 
To: "Mehmet Akcin" < mehmet () akcin net > 
Cc: "nanog" < nanog () nanog org > 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM 
Subject: Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea) 


I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the overall robustness of the design). 

Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and some will have the flexibility to hand-off 
in particular suites within the same building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are lower. I've 
seen cross-connect fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you need multiple wavelengths (for capacity), the 
cross-connect fees are going to make a huge difference on the total MRC. 

Eric 





        

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On Dec 14 2018, at 12:17 pm, Mehmet Akcin < mehmet () akcin net > wrote: 
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Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a transit provider smail earlier. 


How do you choose transport & backbone? 


Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, 
length, but what else? 


I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs. 


I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe next? I am probably too late by now. 


Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line ;-) 
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Mehmet 
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Mehmet 
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