Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

[Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com>]

The one thing that you CAN generalize about a great many developing nation
telecom markets, which is different than the US and Western Europe:

Many urban locations have a complete absence of functioning last mile,
legacy copper telecom infrastructure, which in a US city you would see used
for ADSL2+ or VDSL2 or g.fast on old POTS phone lines, or
DOCSIS3.0/DOCSIS3.1 on 75 ohm coaxial cable TV plant. Leaving "4G" and
various forms of fixed point to multipoint wireless, whether LTE based or
not, as the only viable residential and SMB broadband service option.



On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> 4G depends on Radio. Radio works very well in an environment like
> Hispañola (the island containing Haiti and Dominican Republic).
>
> You’ve got some convenient very high central locations, lots of nice
> conductive ground-plane salt-water surrounding the area, and very little
> terrain interference from those high points to the vast majority of the
> island.
>
> Africa has a much larger and more diverse geography. The water surrounding
> it is much much further from the central locations and the central
> locations are NOT proportionately has high above (and in some cases even
> below) the surrounding terrain.
>
> Africa also has a wide variety of political and cultural issues and
> multiple distinct political frameworks to deal with. (Haiti has only one
> and if you throw in all of Hispañola, you still only have 2).
>
> There are parts of Africa where 4G works relatively well. There are parts
> where you’re lucky if you can get anything at all. There are parts where
> electricity, indoor plumbing, and safe drinking water would be a novelty.
> (Of course that last one is true in Haiti as well).
>
> Indeed, I think the biggest thing to realize is that speaking of Africa as
> if it were a single place is as big a failure as speaking of Asia like it
> is a single place. Both consist of many countries, many cultures, a wide
> variety of terrains and geological and geographical features, and a great
> diversity of experiences to be had.
>
> Angola is as different from Zambia as Afghanistan is from Vietnam.
>
> Owen
>
>
> > On May 28, 2018, at 23:36 , Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> >
> > Then Africa in particular is specifically disadvantaged - I spent a good
> deal of time in Haiti and 4G connectivity was abundant at good speeds, as
> were terrestrial fiber connections.
> > Mirrors my experience in half a dozen other 3rd world countries.  Unless
> there’s something particularly oppressive about Africa?
> > > On May 28, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Scott Weeks <surfer () mauigateway com>
> wrote:
> > > --- mpetach () netflight com wrote:
> > > From: Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
> > > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I’m sorry I simply believe that in 2018 with the advanced and cheap ptp
> > > > radio (ubiquiti anyone? $300 and I have a 200mbit/sec link over
> 10miles!
> > > > Spend a bit more and go 100km) plus the advancements in cubesats about
> to
> > > > be launched, even the 3rd world can simply get with the times.
> > >
> > > I do not think you adequately understand the economics of the
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > https://www.slideshare.net/InternetSociety/international-
> bandwidth-and-pricing-trends-in-subsahara-africa-79147043
> > > slide 22, IP transit cost.
> > >
> > > Your 200mbit/sec link that costs you $300 in hardware
> > > is going to cost you $4960/month to actually get IP traffic
> > > across, in Nairobi.   Yes, that's about $60,000/year.
> > >
> > > Could *you* afford to "get with the times" if that's what
> > > your bandwidth was going to cost you?
> > >
> > > Please, do a little research on what the real
> > > costs are before telling others they need to
> > > "simply get with the times."
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, please don't just look at continental countries
> > > when researching.  Look at the small PICs (Pacific
> > > Island Countries).  For example, search the posts from
> > > Christian on Kiribati on the PICISOC list.  The cost is
> > > extraordinary and all the ego-flattering bloat rsk
> > > speaks (relevant part of the post id below) of in very
> > > expensive to download and is nearly impossible to stop.
> > >
> > > scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > > > The problem (part of the problem) is that the people doing these
> foolish
> > > > things are new, ignorant, and privileged: they don't realize that
> bandwidth
> > > > is still an expensive and scarce resource for most of the planet. I've
> > > > said for years that every web designer should be forced to work in an
> > > > environment bandlimited to 56K in order to instll in them the virtue
> > > > of frugality and strongly discourage them from flattering their egos
> > > > by creating all-singing all-dancing web sites...that look great in the
> > > > portfolios they'll show to their peers but are horribly bloated, slow,
> > > > unrenderable in a lot of browsers, and fraught with security and
> privacy
> > > > problems. (Try pointing a text-only browser at your favorite website.
> > > > Can you even read the home page?)