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Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet
From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 20:40:43 +0000
Valdis, The key misunderstanding on your part is the phrase “on your servers”. ISPs acting as conduits do not, by definition (in the DMCA), store anything on servers. Moreover, the DMCA specifically spells out that safe harbor protection “covers acts of transmission, routing, or providing connections for the information, as well as the intermediate and transient copies that are made automatically in the operation of a network.” And if the FBI, or whoever, through various technical means, managed to discover that illegal information passed through an ISPs network, they have no more cause of action than if that traffic passed through AT&T leased lines. Not that they haven’t tried. -mel On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Valdis Klētnieks <valdis.kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:valdis.kletnieks () vt edu>> wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:19:06 -0000, Mel Beckman said: I notice you didn’t provide any actual data to support your position. What, for example, outside of copyright violations, could ISPs conceivably be liable for? You get caught with nuclear weapons data, terrorism-related info, or kiddie porn on your servers dropped there by a customer, you're going to be wishing for a safe harbor that extends further than just copyright. Whether you actually get one is going to depend on a *lot* of details of the specific incident. At that point, don't listen to me, and don't listen to Anne, hire a good lawyer who knows exactly what the rules are in your jurisdiction(s) and listen to them :)
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- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet, (continued)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Fred Baker (Aug 05)
- RE: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Keith Medcalf (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Niels Bakker (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Patrick W. Gilmore (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Eric Kuhnke (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 06)
- Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)