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Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:01:43 -0700
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:59 PM Masataka Ohta < mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp> wrote:
William Herrin wrote:If we're going to replace TCP and UDP, initiate the link with a name (e.g. dns name),The point of TCP use IP address for identification is hosts can confirm IP address is true by 3 way handshaking.
Yeah, but that touches one of the central flaws of the design of IP, v4 and v6. No part of identifying and authenticating communication should reside at layer 3. The IP address shouldn't identify anything. It should reflect only the host's current position in the network. The address should be as ephemerally attached to the endpoint as the layer 2 MAC address and as quickly changeable. Without disrupting upper layer communication. It would be a crying shame to replace the layer 4 protocols without doing something about that flaw. I actually came up with a solution to BGP scalability. If you abandon stability of the layer 3 address, just throw it out the window, it turns out to be relatively easy to build a routing protocol which constructs ephemeral address hierarchies that represent the current state of connections in the network even though the physical network itself is still a general graph. The ephemeral hierarchies aggregate well reducing the worldwide routing table to a few tens of thousands of routes.
Only to replace well known port numbers by well known connection IDs and port scanning by connection ID scanning?
Easy to make this impractical. QUIC has. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill () herrin us https://bill.herrin.us/
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Valdis Klētnieks (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment William Herrin (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 08)
- RE: IPv6 Pain Experiment Michel Py (Oct 07)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Joel Halpern (Oct 07)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 07)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 07)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment William Herrin (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 08)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment William Herrin (Oct 09)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Nicholas Warren (Oct 08)