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Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment
From: bzs () theworld com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:12:30 -0400
On October 9, 2019 at 17:12 bill () herrin us (William Herrin) wrote:
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:30 PM John R. Levine <johnl () iecc com> wrote:Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP packet src/dest) as: We can't do that! It would require changing something!Nope. You can summarize it as "it doesn't scale", which is what has killed endless numbers of superficially plausible bad ideas.And Barry's been around long enough to know this. What's up Barry? What's the meta-argument you're trying to make here 'cause "bits is bits" is about as smart as telling a chef that "food is food."
Some brought up objections to IPv6 one of which was that its long hex strings are difficult to remember compared to IPv4 addresses. I first suggested that might be largly a human interface issue more than a flaw in the design. Then I remembered a talk I gave in Singapore, intended to be controversial, suggesting the use of essentially URLs as a superset of "domain names", but whatever, everyone knows what I mean, as actual addresses in packets. Just trying to stimulate some thinking beyond IPv6 and assessing where we are in general terms regarding for example changes in hardware etc availability since IPv6 was first being developed ca 1990. Particularly in a context where the less than stellar adoption of IPv6 is an issue. Some, most, of the comments have been very interesting and also thought-provoking. Others amounted to "but where do we put the gasoline in this new-fangled electric car?!" (yes some fundamental things would need to be redesigned), some wanted the entire design right here and right now (sorry!), and a few basically revealed people who've never to my knowledge managed anything more complicated than a zippo lighter claiming profound and intuitive insight into mass scalability. But as I said it's a few RFCs short of an internet. Just meant to stir some discussion: Is there life after IPv6? What might motivate another round of evolution and by whom? My sense is these questions might be more imminent than some may want to believe given the rise of issues such as security, privacy, government control, accountability, legal and insurance issues, and a multi-trillion dollar economy riding on this internet little of which was really on the table in, say, 1990. For example given the relatively low adoption of IPv6 and the impossibility (pretty much) of going forward with IPv4, and the new realities I mention, might someone(s) with sufficient interest and capitalization and influence push to knock over the whole game board? They marched us into a box canyon! -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
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- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment John Levine (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Matt Harris (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Owen DeLong (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Valdis Klētnieks (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment John R. Levine (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment William Herrin (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 10)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Masataka Ohta (Oct 09)
- Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Tony Finch (Oct 10)
- RE: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment Kevin Menzel (Oct 10)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 05)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Matt Palmer (Oct 05)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 06)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment J. Hellenthal via NANOG (Oct 06)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment bzs (Oct 06)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Valdis Klētnieks (Oct 06)
- Re: IPv6 Pain Experiment Forrest Christian (List Account) (Oct 06)