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Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ
From: Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:48:13 -0700
Honestly, sometimes I include the "Three-Hundred Sixty-Five and a Quarter” on conference calls. Side note: What you describe is in-fact part of how languages change and evolve. (over time, sufficiently common incorrect use becomes. well. correct.) -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC ben () 6by7 net <mailto:ben () 6by7 net>
On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <lists () packetflux com> wrote: Sorry I can't resist... If you're going for accuracy, does 24x365 mean you close one day this year? Or should you actually be saying 24x365.25, or even more accurately 24x365.2425 (but still not exact). Oh wait, we missed the leap seconds in there, which there isn't any real way to average out since they occur at semi-random intervals. So I don't know what we should adjust the 24 to... I just look at 24x7x365 as shorthand for "24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year", which is a common saying meaning always open. It isn't a mathematical formula. It doesn't have to be exact or make mathematical sense. There are lots of things that if you think about too hard they don't make sense. The one this week I thought about was "hunger benefit". Does that mean we're raising money to increase hunger? One could go on and on trying to correct logical inconsistencies in our use of language. It's fun on occasion to point them out, but saying that something has to be corrected just because it doesn't make logical or mathematical sense just seems as sill as some of the phrases that we laugh about being logically inconsistent. On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:35 AM Owen DeLong <owen () delong com <mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote: 24x7 is way more common, but does leave ambiguity as to holiday coverage. (there are some 24x7 businesses that close for holidays). 24x7x365 is on the rise as a way to specify that you’re open holidays too. End of the day, I’m not sure it matters which one you use. Likely any Google search for 24x7 would return the superset {24x7,24x7x365} while a search for 24x7x365 would return the subset {24x7x365}. IANASEOE, but I suspect that in terms of SEO and general search, you’re probably better off with 24x7x365. OwenOn Apr 16, 2020, at 01:25 , Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com <mailto:eyeronic.design () gmail com>> wrote: No. 24x7x365 is fine. Sheesh. On Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 10:10 PM Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net <mailto:ben () 6by7 net>> wrote: So I’m taking this thread for a total test-drive and we’re going down this random ally... I call our NOC “24x7x365” I hear that in my head as “twenty-four (hour) - BY - Seven (days a week) - BY - 365 (days a year, indicating we don’t close on any holidays). Is that really not a thing? I swear I’ve been hearing it as a term of art in the industry for 20 years. Google has 1.42m results for 24x7x365 - but 72mil for 24x7. Should I change my website or what? Thanks for indulging me :) -Ben. -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC ben () 6by7 net <mailto:ben () 6by7 net>On Apr 15, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org <mailto:rsk () gsp org>> wrote: Your home page says that you have 24x7x365 support. (Which is wrong, by the way. It's either 24x7 or 24x365 or maybe 24x7x52 depending on what you're trying to express. There is no such thing as 24x7x365. But let's press on:)(Rich’s excellent critique deleted for brevity)---rsk-- - Forrest
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- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Mike Hale (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Owen DeLong (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Forrest Christian (List Account) (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Ben Cannon (Apr 16)
- Re: Language evolution (was 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ) Bryan Fields (Apr 16)
- Re: Language evolution (was 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ) Mike Hale (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ William Herrin (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Valdis Klētnieks (Apr 16)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Rich Kulawiec (Apr 17)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ William Herrin (Apr 17)
- Re: 24x7 vs 24x7x365 Re: Constant Abuse Reports / Borderline Spamming from RiskIQ Ben Cannon (Apr 17)
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