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Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades
From: Etienne-Victor Depasquale <edepa () ieee org>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:05:03 +0200
With tongue in cheek, one could say that measured instantaneously, the load on a link is always either zero or 100% link rate...
Actually, that's a first-class observation ! On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Simon Leinen <simon.leinen () switch ch> wrote:
m Taichi writes:Just my curiosity. May I ask how we can measure the link capacity loading? What does it mean by a 50%, 70%, or 90% capacity loading? Load sampled and measured instantaneously, or averaging over a certain period of time (granularity)?Very good question! With tongue in cheek, one could say that measured instantaneously, the load on a link is always either zero or 100% link rate... ISPs typically sample link load in 5-minute intervals and look at graphs that show load (at this 5-minute sampling resolution) over ~24 hours, or longer-term graphs where the resolution has been "downsampled", where downsampling usually smoothes out short-term peaks. From my own experience, upgrade decisions are made by looking at those graphs and checking whether peak traffic (possibly ignoring "spikes" :-) crosses the threshold repeatedly. At some places this might be codified in terms of percentiles, e.g. "the Nth percentile of the M-minute utilization samples exceeds X% of link capacity over a Y-day period". I doubt that anyone uses such rules to automatically issue upgrade orders, but maybe to generate alerts like "please check this link, we might want to upgrade it". I'd be curious whether other operators have such alert rules, and what N/M/X/Y they use - might well be different values for different kinds of links. -- Simon. PS. We use the "stare at graphs" method, but if we had automatic alerts, I guess it would be something like "the 95th percentile of 5-minute samples exceeds 50% over 30 days". PPS. My colleagues remind me that we do alert on output queue drops.These are questions have bothered me for long. Don't know if I can ask about these by the way. I take care of the radio access network performance at work. Found many things unknown in transport network.Thanks and best regards, TaichiOn Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 3:54 PM Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom com>wrote:On 12/Aug/20 09:31, Hank Nussbacher wrote:At what point do commercial ISPs upgrade links in their backbone aswell as peering and transit links that are congested? At 80%capacity? 90%? 95%?We start the process at 50% utilization, and work toward completing theupgrade by 70% utilization.The period between 50% - 70% is just internal paperwork.Mark.
-- Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale Assistant Lecturer Department of Communications & Computer Engineering Faculty of Information & Communication Technology University of Malta Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
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- Bottlenecks and link upgrades Hank Nussbacher (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Saku Ytti (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades m.Taichi (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Simon Leinen (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Etienne-Victor Depasquale (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades m.Taichi (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Saku Ytti (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Daniel (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Ted Hatfield (Aug 12)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Olav Kvittem via NANOG (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Nick Hilliard (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Olav Kvittem via NANOG (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 13)
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- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mike Hammett (Aug 13)
- Re: Bottlenecks and link upgrades Mark Tinka (Aug 13)