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Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections
From: Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 03:17:36 -0700
On May 28, 2021, at 06:56 , Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: "Bad connection" measures way more than throughput. What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3?
Pretty much everything if you have, say, 3+ people in your house trying to do it at once… A decent Zoom call requires ~750Kbps of upstream bandwidth. When you get two kids doing remote school and mom and dad each doing $DAYJOB via teleconferences, that 3Mbps gets spread pretty thin, especially if you’ve got any other significant use of your upstream connection (e.g. kids posting to Tik Tok, etc.) Sure, for a single individual, 25/3 might be fine. For a household that has the industry standard 2.53 people, it might even still work, but barely. Much above that average and things degrade rapidly and not very gracefully. Owen
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> From: "Abhi Devireddy" <abhi () devireddy com> To: nanog () nanog org, "Jason Canady" <jason () unlimitednet us> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:07:34 AM Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to talk with you. There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone who's got a bad connection. Abhi Abhi Devireddy From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+abhi=devireddy.com () nanog org> on behalf of Jason Canady <jason () unlimitednet us> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:39:14 AM To: nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections I second Mike. On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I don't think it needs to change. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> From: "Sean Donelan" <sean () donelan com> <mailto:sean () donelan com> To: nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM Subject: New minimum speed for US broadband connections What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year year speed 1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than dialup/ISDN speeds) 2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service providers had 128 kbps upload) 2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up 2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired) 5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless) 2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps) Not only in major cities, but also rural areas Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must deliver better service.
Current thread:
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections, (continued)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mike Hammett (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Chris Adams (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Fred Baker (May 29)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Josh Luthman (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections james.cutler () consultant com (May 31)
- RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Tim Burke (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Eric Kuhnke (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mark Tinka (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mark Tinka (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mike Hammett (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Owen DeLong via NANOG (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mike Hammett (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Raymond Burkholder (May 31)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Sean Donelan (May 27)
- RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Brandon Price (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mike Lyon (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Mike Lyon (May 28)
- Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Ask Bjørn Hansen (May 28)