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Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?
From: Sabri Berisha <sabri () cluecentral net>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
----- On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Thomas mike () mtcc com wrote: Hi,
On 10/18/21 11:09 AM, Sabri Berisha wrote:The term "network neutrality" was invented by people who want to control a network owned and paid for by someone else. Your version of "unreasonable" and my version of "unreasonable" are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I think it is unreasonable for you to tell me how to run configure my routers, and you think it is unreasonable for me to configure my routers that I pay for the way that I want to.Yeahbut, for the last mile that network is often a monopoly or maybe a duopoly if you're lucky. If streaming provider 1 pays ISP to give priority over streaming provider 2 -- maybe by severely rate limiting provider 2 -- the people who get screwed are end users without a way to vote with their feet. That sort of monopolistic behavior is bad for end users. Mostly I want ISP's to be dumb bit providers and stay out of shady deals that enrich ISP's at my expense. And if it takes regulation to do that, bring it.
I totally agree. 100%. Now we just have to agree on the regulation that we're talking about. My idea of regulation in this context is to get rid of the monopoly/duopoly so that users actually do have a way out and can vote with their feet. From that perspective, the NBN model isn't that bad (not trying to start an NBN flamewar here). But, I would be opposed to regulation that prevents a network operator from going into enable mode. There are more reasons than "government intervention into a privately owned network" / "network neutrality" to want more competition. Lower prices and better service, for example. Have you ever tried calling Comcast/Spectrum? I'd love to get involved (privately, not professionally) in a municipal broadband project where I live. We have 1 fiber duct for the entire town. That got cut last year, and literally everyone was without internet access for many hours. We don't need net neutrality. We need competition. The FCC sucks, and so does the CPUC. Thanks, Sabri
Current thread:
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes?, (continued)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? William Herrin (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 20)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 16)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 17)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 17)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Mike Hammett (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Sabri Berisha (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Michael Thomas (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Matthew Petach (Oct 18)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? William Herrin (Oct 09)
- RE: DNS pulling BGP routes? Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Oct 07)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Bill Woodcock (Oct 07)
- RE: DNS pulling BGP routes? Jean St-Laurent via NANOG (Oct 07)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 10)
- Re: DNS pulling BGP routes? Masataka Ohta (Oct 11)