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Re: Network visibility
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:09:43 -0700
I think the issuing of rfc 791 was much more important than the flag day. ARPAnet was a tiny, tiny universe but there were a lot of people interested in networking at the time wondering what to do with our neat new DEUNA and DEQNA adapters. There was tons of interest in all of the various protocols coming out around then because nobody knew what was going to win, or whether there would be *a* winner at all. Being able to get a spec to write to was pretty novel at the time because all of the rest of them were proprietary so you had to reverse engineer them for the most part. It may be that alone that pushed IP along well before the public could hook up to the Internet. We had lots of customers asking for IP protocols in the mid to late 80's and I can guarantee you most weren't part of the Internet. They were using IP as the interoperating system glue on their own networks.
Also: the flag day was pretty much an example of how not to do a transition. as in, let's not do that again.
Mike, trying to remember when CMU shipped their first version of their IP stack for VMS
On 10/20/21 11:47 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Since we seem to be getting pedantic...There's "The (capital I) Internet" - which, most date to the flag day, and the "Public Internet" (the Internet after policies changed and allowed commercial & public use over the NSFnet backbone - in 1992f, as I recall).Then there's the more general notion of "internetworking" - of which there was a considerable amount of experimental work going on, in parallel with TCP/IP. And of (small i) "internets" - essentially any Catenet style network-of-networks.Miles Fidelman Mel Beckman wrote:Michael, “Looking into” isn’t “is” :) -melOn Oct 20, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote: On 10/20/21 8:26 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:Pedantically, IP is 40 years old as of last month. What you're talking about is the flag day. People including myself were looking into internet protocols well before the flag day.Mark,As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other.It’s 2021, hence the Internet is /less/ than, not more than, 40 years old. Given your mathematical skills, I put no stock in your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just works.” :)Mike-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown
Current thread:
- Re: Network visibility, (continued)
- Re: Network visibility Jay R. Ashworth (Oct 21)
- Re: Network visibility Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 22)
- Re: Network visibility Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Network visibility bzs (Oct 21)
- Re: Network visibility Michael Thomas (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Mel Beckman (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Miles Fidelman (Oct 20)
- RE: Network visibility Kain, Becki (.) (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Jay Hennigan (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility scott (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Michael Thomas (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility james.cutler () consultant com (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Michael Thomas (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility bzs (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Owen DeLong via NANOG (Oct 21)
- Re: Network visibility Brian Johnson (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Mark Tinka (Oct 20)
- Re: Network visibility Brian Johnson (Oct 21)
- Re: Network visibility Mark Tinka (Oct 21)
- Re: Network visibility Mark Tinka (Oct 20)