Re: HBO Max Contact

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Is that outside->in, inside->out, or middle-out? 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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Midwest-IX 
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From: "Lukas Tribus" <lukas () ltri eu> 
To: "Kevin McCormick" <kmccormick () mdtc net> 
Cc: Nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 12:27:18 PM 
Subject: Re: HBO Max Contact 

Hello Kevin, 


On Tue, 7 Sept 2021 at 16:57, Kevin McCormick <kmccormick () mdtc net> wrote: 
> HBO did respond to contact form page on website. 
>
>
> They referred us to Digital Elements. 

It's IP geolocation done right, as per the white-paper [1]: 

- distrusting WHOIS data 
- distrusting ISP provided data 
- not providing any check/demo page 
- not providing any contact information for victims (end users or ISPs) 
- amazing real time updates based on ... things: 

> Digital Element utilizes patented web-spidering technology and 20+ proprietary methods 
> to triangulate the location, connection speed, and many other characteristics associated 
> with an IP address. By combining this "inside-out" infrastructure analysis with "outside-in" 
> user location feedback gleaned from a network of commercial partners to improve and 
> validate its response at a hyperlocal level (city/postcode/ZIP+4), Digital Element can 
> identify where the user actually accesses the Internet down to the ISP’s end-point 
> equipment. 
> [...] 
> "With such an extensive customer network performing more than 10 trillion IP lookups 
> per month, the company is able to pick up IP address reallocations the instant they 
> occur, ensuring that data remains highly current and accurate." 


And just to reiterate one more time: 

> By combining this "inside-out" infrastructure analysis with "outside-in" 
> user location feedback gleaned from a network of commercial partners to improve and 
> validate its response at a hyperlocal level (city/postcode/ZIP+4), Digital Element can 
> identify where the user actually accesses the Internet down to the ISP’s end-point 
> equipment. 

and again: 

> the company is able to pick up IP address reallocations the instant they occur 


's all good, man! 


[1] https://www.digitalelement.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/IPGEO-myths-facts.pdf