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Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)
From: John Curran <jcurran () arin net>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 15:16:50 +0000
On 7 Apr 2022, at 1:58 AM, Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> wrote: … Yes, but if you don’t have a contract with ARIN, ARIN’s ability to revoke your resources because the community decided it might be fun is significantly less certain for ARIN at best and highly unlikely at worst. Mr. Delong - There’s some good news in this regard – ARIN can’t adopt number resource policy that allows revocation of number resources "because the community decided it might be fun" – as the ARIN Bylaws require that "ARIN will continue to utilize an open, transparent multi-stakeholder process for registry policy development.” and ARIN's adopted Policy Develop Process requires that number resource policy enable "Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration” with defined criteria that are "simple and obtainable.” More good news – anyone can participate in the ARIN Policy Development Process, so someone can, if they wish, easily make sure that the policy applicable their number resources meets the above constraints and is not arbitrary or capricious in any manner. (The ARIN Board of Trustees is the one that makes sure that the ARIN Bylaws and ensure the ARIN PDP are followed, so that again seems like a great reason to get involved in ARIN governance for those have any concerns on that front.) As to the last point, ARIN’s ability to manage all of the number resources in all of the number registry is remarkably clear, and ARIN number resource registry policies apply to all blocks in the ARIN registry (including legacy number resources) – as it is ultimately the ARIN members’ registry database to be administered as they direct. If a legacy resource holder wants a statement of their rights to the number resources issued to them by ARIN or a predecessor registry, they can enter an RSA that provides them the same rights as every other customer that’s been issued number resources – (1) The exclusive right to be the registrant of the Included Number Resources within the ARIN database; (2) The right to use the Included Number Resources within the ARIN database; and (3) The right to transfer the registration of the Included Number Resources pursuant to the Policies. (The rights are obviously “limited rights” because there are other rights that the community has to those same entries; e.g. the ability to specify the fields/format of the number resource entry, ability to publish the public portion of the entry, etc.) I.e., your legacy number resources in the ARIN registry are already governed by ARIN policy, as ARIN’s maintains the number resources in ARIN registry as the community directs regardless of whether you enter an RSA. If a legacy resource holder doesn't want an RSA then that is a perfectly fine choice, but I’d still suggest they participate in the ARIN policy development process since it is quite applicable to their legacy number resources. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT), (continued)
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT) John Curran (Apr 07)
- A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption Doug Barton (Apr 12)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption John Curran (Apr 12)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption Doug Barton (Apr 12)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption William Herrin (Apr 13)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption John Curran (Apr 13)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption Alex Band (Apr 13)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption John Curran (Apr 13)
- Re: A way that ARIN can help encourage RPKI adoption Alex Band (Apr 13)
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT) Owen DeLong via NANOG (Apr 06)
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT) John Curran (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT) Owen DeLong via NANOG (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT) John Curran (Apr 07)
- Re: [nanog] Re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Approximately 40 Jon Lewis (Apr 04)
- Re: [nanog] 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Approximately 40 John Curran (Apr 04)
- Re: [nanog] Re: [nanog] 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Dan Mahoney (Gushi) (Apr 04)
- Re: [nanog] [nanog] 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - John Curran (Apr 04)
- Re: [nanog] Re: [nanog] Re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Dan Mahoney (Gushi) (Apr 04)
- Re: [nanog] [nanog] Re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - John Curran (Apr 04)
- Re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Approximately 40 hours until potentially significant routing changes (re: Retirement of ARIN Non-Authenticated IRR scheduled for 4 April 2022) John Gilmore (Apr 04)
- Re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT - Approximately 40 hours until potentially significant routing changes (re: Retirement of ARIN Non-Authenticated IRR scheduled for 4 April 2022) John Curran (Apr 04)