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Re: Google Abuse
From: richey goldberg <richey.goldberg () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2022 19:53:15 +0000
“thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.” There is nothing neutral about Google or any of companies that are their competitors. They all have some sort of agenda which is to do what’s best for them or what they *think* is best for everyone else. Even if it’s not. “are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents” They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be “Oopsie, my bad”. -richey From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com () nanog org> on behalf of Mark Seiden <mis () seiden com> Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:48 PM To: Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> Cc: nanog () nanog org <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: Google Abuse well, that isn’t exactly true. ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell, there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?) but here’s a counterexample… not that it serves anyone particularly well: a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler’s crotch to his wife, so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician’s portal for diagnosis. a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that, the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts at escalation. i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe. who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts? do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it…) (is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?) which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question: are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over to law enforcement who have become “interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant? https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion (once again, there ain’t no sanity clause.)
On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> wrote: On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:Hi I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse contact to indicate?There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
Current thread:
- Google Abuse Cristian Cardoso (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse richey goldberg (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse Jon Lewis (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse Mark Seiden (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse richey goldberg (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse Peter Beckman (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse Mel Beckman (Aug 16)
- Re: Google Abuse Ethan O'Toole (Aug 17)
- Re: Google Abuse Tom Beecher (Aug 17)
- Re: [External] Re: Google Abuse Hunter Fuller via NANOG (Aug 17)
- Re: [External] Re: Google Abuse Tom Beecher (Aug 17)
- Re: [External] Re: Google Abuse Hunter Fuller via NANOG (Aug 17)
- Re: [External] Re: Google Abuse Tom Beecher (Aug 17)
- Re: [External] Re: Google Abuse jkinney23--- via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: Google Abuse Mark Seiden (Aug 16)