Re: Amazon peering revisited

[Andras Toth <diosbejgli () gmail com>]

Hi all,

We (Amazon) have made improvements over the last few years to significantly
improve our NOC and Peering response times, as well as the time it takes to
set up a peering session, whether over IX or direct PNI/SFI.

If you don't get a response from the respective Peering mailing address
listed on our PeeringDB https://peeringdb.com/net/1418 , feel free to email
me privately and I'll get in touch with the right folks internally.

Regards,
Andras


On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 9:40 AM Martin Hannigan <hannigan () gmail com> wrote:

> There are also three different ASNs and different policy decision trees;
> they all report selective criteria such as minimum of 10GE, multiple
> locations, specific locations, etc. Not sure it's as simple as 'getting the
> right person' more than it is about meeting the right conditions. Easier
> for network operators. Enterprises may be different (and better off with
> their upstreams or PacketFabric).
>
> YMMV,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:30 PM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
>
> > "For a company like Amazon..."
> >
> > True, but also, they're at a size where staffing and operating peering
> > operations generously has a negligible impact on the fiscal situation of
> > the company (or even department).
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
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> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> > ------------------------------
> > *From: *"Kevin Burke" <kburke () burlingtontelecom com>
> > *To: *"Lincoln Dale" <ltd () interlink com au>, "Kelly Littlepage" <
> > kelly () onechronos com>
> > *Cc: *nanog () nanog org
> > *Sent: *Friday, February 4, 2022 3:25:53 PM
> > *Subject: *RE: Amazon peering revisited
> >
> > Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon
> > asking turn up a session on a shared IXP peering.  Once was able to get a
> > peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we
> > moved out of that carrier hotel a year or so later.  The amazon peering
> > email box does have humans surfing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting
> > little response from Amazon about peering requests.
> >
> >
> >
> > For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with
> > small scale operators.  They already peer with the tier 1’s and assume I
> > will do what I need to balance my bits.  The fancy algorithms they use to
> > balance traffic around does allow them to operate a decent network with
> > fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs.  Just a network operator
> > here, trying to get my bytes across the wire.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy your weekend!
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Burke
> >
> > 802-540-0979
> >
> > Burlington Telecom
> >
> > 200 Church St, Burlington, VT
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+kburke=burlingtontelecom.com () nanog org> *On
> > Behalf Of *Lincoln Dale
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:20 PM
> > *To:* Kelly Littlepage <kelly () onechronos com>
> > *Cc:* nanog () nanog org
> > *Subject:* Re: Amazon peering revisited
> >
> >
> >
> > WARNING!! This message originated from an *External Source*. Please use
> > proper judgment and caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or
> > responding to this email.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG <
> > nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the
> > challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned up. Has anyone had
> > luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or
> > otherwise? The process of getting PNI in place with other CSPs was
> > straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and
> > several follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this
> > sorted.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are many folks that here that are in AWS. Assuming you have
> > followed what is in https://aws.amazon.com/peering/ (and
> > https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/) then send me details privately
> > about what/when/who and I'll reach out internally to the relevant folks.