Re: What do you think about this airline vs 5G brouhaha?

["Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE" <lb () 6by7 net>]

Let’s be clear, this is not a 5G issue.  LTE in the space spectrum would be an issue.  

This is a spectrum issue. Only.

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> On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
>
>  Apples and oranges Michael. The US domestic aviation environment is quite different than even Europe or and 
> especially smaller countries overseas. And how long has 5G been out anyway? I hardly think that’s been available for 
> enough of a safety track record in any country.
>
> -mel via cell
>
> > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:06 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
> >  Shane,
> >
> > Incorrect. Owning spectrum also includes the right to interference-free operation. And you imply that the FAA and 
> > airline industry has done nothing, when in reality it’s the FCC who has done nothing. the FAA sponsored extensive 
> > engineering tests that demonstrate the interference is a concern, and they notified all the parties well in advance. 
> > The fCC et al chose to do no research of their own, and are basing all their assumptions on operation in other 
> > countries, which even you must admit can’t really be congruent with the US.
> >
> > -mel via cell
> >
> > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 2:01 PM, sronan () ronan-online com wrote:
> > >
> > >  The thing is aviation DOESN’T own this spectrum, they just assumed it would always be unused. And they failed to 
> > > mention it would be a problem during the last 5 years of discussion regarding the use of this spectrum.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > Here’s a recent PCmag editorial on the subject, and it seems like many people want to put Internet speed above 
> > > > airline safety:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.pcmag.com/news/faa-goes-in-hard-to-kill-mid-band-5g
> > > >
> > > > This issue definitely impacts network operations for 5G providers, so makes sense to discuss here.
> > > >
> > > > Here’s a comment from a friend of mine who has been both a network engineer and a pilot for United Airlines, 
> > > > posted on the article linked above:
> > > >
> > > > “As a pilot, I can tell you that landing in instrument conditions is by far the most critical flight regime 
> > > > possible, during which the radar altimeter reports are a matter of life and death. There is no alternative 
> > > > technology, such as GPS, with the required accuracy and reliability, to provide approach guidance down to the 
> > > > runway in zero-zero weather, which is what the radar altimeter does. 
> > > >
> > > > The collective tech industry needs to admit that it made a huge blunder when it urged the FCC’s clueless Ajit Pai 
> > > > to “blow off” the clearly demonstrated FAA spectrum conflict. Sorry, passengers, but if you look out your window, 
> > > > you’ll see that aviation owns this spectrum and is entitled to interference-free operation. Replacing all radar 
> > > > altimeters isn’t going to happen in time for 5G anyway — it took more than ten years just to deploy anti-collision 
> > > > technology. So do what you should have done from the beginning: follow the FCC rules of non-interference to 
> > > > existing users, who have clear priority in this case.”
> > > >
> > > > I tend to agree with him, and it looks like the 5G providers and FAA agreed last week to put some buffer safety 
> > > > zones around runway approaches at 50 major airports:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.cnet.com/news/faa-lists-50-airports-getting-temporary-buffer-zones-blocking-new-5g-signals/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -mel 
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really don't know anything about it. It seems really late to be having this fight now, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike