Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Flow collection and analysis

[Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>]

People who advocate TLS lash-ups like nginx front ends remind me of Mr. Beans DIY automobile security, which started 
with a screwed-on metal hasp and padlock, and then continued to a range of additional “layers”. Not “defense-in-depth”, 
merely unwarranted “complexity-in-depth”:

https://youtu.be/CCl_KxGLgOA

TLS is a standardized, fully open-source package that can be integrated into even tiny IoT devices (witness this $10 
WiFi module https://www.adafruit.com/product/4201<https://www.adafruit.com/product/4201>). The argument that people who 
want intrinsically secure products can just bolt-on their own security are missing the point entirely. Every 
web-enabled product should be required to implement TLS and then let custiners decide when they want to enable it. 
Vendors who are so weak that they can’t should have their products go straight into /dev/null.

-mel via cell

On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:51 AM, heasley <heas () shrubbery net> wrote:

Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 07:21:19AM -0600, Mike Hammett:
Why is it [TLS] even necessary for such a function?

confidentiality and integrity, even if you do not care about authentication.
I am surprised that question is asked.

The fewer things that are left unprotected, the better for everyone.  those
with concern about erosion of their privacy and human rights benefit from
everything being protected, everywhere for everyone.