Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

The ICA was signed in 2003 or 2004 with dark fiber in it. 


Ahh, but maybe 2021 killed it. 




Well, most of the ones I'm looking at would be interoffice, not so much loops. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Timmins" <paul () telcodata us> 
To: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM 
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber 


Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, 
and it was killed in 2021 as an orderable product. 



https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services
 


There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 
under the TRRO. 







On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
To: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM 
Subject: Frontier Dark Fiber 


I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber. 


My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they 
very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time). 


Their web site highlights it fairly proudly. 




I'm aware that availability varies. 


I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it. 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP