Re: 202203090732.AYC Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

[William Herrin <bill () herrin us>]

 Mr. Chen:

Would you please stop changing the subject line with an added date stamp
every time you post? It fouls threaded email readers and is most
inconsiderate.

In addition, I respectfully encourage you to trim the recipients to just
the mailnig list and the specific individual to whom you are sending a
reply.

Thanks,
Bill Herrin


On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:19 AM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:

> Mr. Chen:
>
> Would you please stop changing the subject line with an added date stamp
> every time you post? It fouls threaded email readers and is most
> inconsiderate.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:09 AM Abraham Y. Chen <aychen () avinta com> wrote:
>
> > Dear John:
> >
> > 1)    Thanks for your comment on how eMail headers could be used.
> >
> > Dear Bill:
> >
> > 2)    I am glad that you agree that it should be a viable discussion on
> > making use of the 240/4 netblock, while waiting for IPv6 to deliver its
> > promises.
> >
> > 3)    As to your question about where does IPv6 stand today and where is
> > it heading, I like to highlight a recent APNIC blog that you may have read.
> > It also appeared on CircleID. After a long recount of the history, the
> > author seems to hint that 1995 may be the new starting point for looking
> > forward.
> >
> >
> > https://blog.apnic.net/2022/02/21/another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=apnic-blog-weekly-wrap_4
> >
> >
> >
> > https://circleid.com/posts/20220220-another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6
> >
> > 4)    We fully realize that the EzIP approach is quite unorthodox. As
> > such, we received numerous quick criticisms in the past. With the proposal
> > now put together, we do hope colleagues on this list will take the time
> > to review its specifics. I look forward to comments and critiques on its
> > merits.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Abe (2022-03-09 12:08)
> >
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: 8 Mar 2022 15:32:36 -0500
> > From: "John Levine" <johnl () iecc com> <johnl () iecc com>
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
> >      202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)
> > Message-ID: <20220308203237.53E7038B1B83 () ary qy> <20220308203237.53E7038B1B83 () ary qy>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > It appears that Anne Mitchell <amitchell () isipp com> <amitchell () isipp com> said:
> >
> > Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org> <nanog () nanog org>, Greg Skinner <gregskinner0 () icloud com> <gregskinner0 () 
> > icloud com>, "Karandikar, Abhay" <Director () iitk ac in> <Director () iitk ac in>, Rama Ati
> >
> > <rama_ati () outlook com> <rama_ati () outlook com>, Bob Corner GMAIL <bobbiecorner () gmail com> <bobbiecorner () 
> > gmail com>, "Hsing, T. Russell" <tHsing () ieee org> <tHsing () ieee org>, "Chen, Henry C.J."<hcjchen () avinta com> 
> > <hcjchen () avinta com>, ST Hsieh <uschinaeetc () gmail com> <uschinaeetc () gmail com>, "Chen, Abraham Y." <AYChen 
> > () alum mit edu> <AYChen () alum mit edu>
> >
> > This is a whole lot of cc:s to people who aren't even part of this group/list.  One wonders with this many cc:s, how 
> > many bcc:s there also were, and to whom.
> >
> > There are several thousand people on the NANOG list, and public web archives.  I don't think this
> > is a useful question.
> >
> > FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea.  To be useful it would require
> > that every host on the Internet update its network stack, which would take on the order of
> > a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two.  It's basically
> > the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
> >
> > R's,
> > John
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 13:11:58 -0800
> > From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us> <bill () herrin us>
> > To: John Levine <johnl () iecc com> <johnl () iecc com>
> > Cc: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org> <nanog () nanog org> <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
> >      202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)
> > Message-ID:
> >      <CAP-guGVCXC_8H+wgriM=Vv0bqPg4+arw0pXhcQhh7rccrxVxEg () mail gmail com> 
> > <CAP-guGVCXC_8H+wgriM=Vv0bqPg4+arw0pXhcQhh7rccrxVxEg () mail gmail com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 12:34 PM John Levine <johnl () iecc com> <johnl () iecc com> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea.  To be useful it would require
> > that every host on the Internet update its network stack,
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > That's incorrect and obviously so. While repurposing 240/4 as general
> > purpose Internet addresses might require that level of effort, other
> > uses such as local LAN addressing would only require the equipment on
> > that one lan to be updated -- a much more attainable goal.
> >
> > Reallocating 240/4 as unpurposed unicast address space would allow
> > some standards-compliant uses to become practical before others. A few
> > quite quickly.
> >
> >
> >
> > which would take on the order of
> > a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two.  It's basically
> > the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
> >
> > Is it not past time we admit that we have no real idea what the
> > schedule or level of effort will be for making IPv6 ubiquitous? This
> > year it was more than last year and next year it'll probably be more
> > than this year. The more precise predictions all seem to have fallen
> > flat.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Herrin
> >
> >
> > --
> > William Herrinbill@herrin.ushttps://bill.herrin.us/
> >
> >
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