Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above

[Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>]

> 1) "... Africa ... They don’t really have a lot of alternatives. ...":
> Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at the
> below IETF Draft:
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-chen-ati-adaptive-ipv4-address-space


For the benefit of anyone who may not understand, this is not an
'alternative'. This is an idea that was initially proposed by the authors
almost exactly 6 years ago. It's received almost no interest from
anyone involved in internet standards, and for various technical reasons ,
likely never will.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:52 PM Abraham Y. Chen <aychen () avinta com> wrote:

> Dear Owen:
>
> 1) "... Africa ... They don’t really have a lot of alternatives. ...":
> Actually, there is, simple and in plain sight. Please have a look at the
> below IETF Draft:
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-chen-ati-adaptive-ipv4-address-space
>
> 2)  If this looks a bit too technical due to the nature of such a
> document, there is a distilled version that provides a bird-eye's view
> of the solution:
>
> https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf
>
> 3)  All of the above can start from making use of the 240/4 netblock as
> a reusable (by region / country) unicast IP address resources that could
> be accomplished by as simple as commenting out one line of the existing
> network router program code. I will be glad to go into the specifics if
> you can bring their attention to this almost mystic topic.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Abe (2022-11-19 22:50 EST)
>
>
> On 2022-11-18 18:20, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 2022, at 03:44, Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Tinka wrote:
> > > > On 11/17/22 19:55, Joe Maimon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You could instead use a /31.
> > > > We could, but many of our DIA customers have all manner of CPE's that
> may or may not support this. Having unique designs per customer does not
> scale well.
> > > its almost 2023. /31 support is easily mandatory. You should make it
> mandatory.
> > Much of Africa in 2023 runs on what the US put into the resale market in
> the late 1990s, tragically.
> > > Its 2023, your folk should be able to handle addressing more advanced
> than from the 90s. And your betting the future on IPv6?
> > They don’t really have a lot of alternatives.
> >
> > > > To be honest, we'll keep using IPv4 for as long as we have it, and for
> as long as we can get it from AFRINIC. But it's not where we are betting
> the farm - that is for IPv6.
> > And yet you wonder why I consider AFRINIC’s artificial extension of the
> free pool through draconian austerity measures to be a global problem?
> > > Its on Afrinic to try and preserve their pool if they wish to by doing
> things such as getting it across that progress in addressing efficiency is
> an important consideration in fulfilling requests for additional resources.
> > Instead of this, they’re mostly ignoring policy, implementing draconian
> restrictions on people getting space from the free pool, and buying into
> various forms of reality avoidance.
> > > But see the crux above. If your RiR isnt frowning on such behavior then
> its poor strategy to implement it.
> > So far, AFRINIC has given a complete pass to Tinka’s organization and
> their documented excessive unused address space despite policy that
> prohibits them from doing so. However, AFRINIC management and board seem to
> have extreme difficulty with reading their governing documents in anything
> resembling a logical interpretation.
> > Owen
>
>
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