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Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC
From: John Curran <jcurran () istaff org>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 13:46:52 -0500
On Nov 22, 2022, at 1:19 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon () jmaimon com> wrote: John Curran wrote:By the way, you shouldn’t feel particularly bad about skipping out on the interoperability requirement – anything involving interworking with the installed Internet is hard, and this is the same lesson that the IPv6 folks found out the hard way… I will confess that I was a member of the IETF's IPng Directorate and thus inherently complicit in that particular fiasco –John, Flags days on the internet of today have proven to be of limited value.
Joe - I am not suggesting a flag day for 240/4 (or any other particular approach) - merely noting that anyone who wishes to promote 240/4 has a wide range of options to consider when they decide to get serious and actually consider interoperability approaches.
The part I feel bad about is that I am actually un-involved in much of anyway with the 240/4 or other ideas, my sole input has been to attempt to encourage serious consideration and to rebut naysaying.
Serious consideration requires a serious proposal - I don’t think we’ve seen one yet.
Yes, a standards update is only the beginning of a real effort, although plenty has changed even without that. Yes, there may and likely will be a large extent of interoperability and usability challenges for quite some time, perhaps even enough time that the issue becomes moot. Yes, it may be insurmountable. Yes, it may render 240/4 unusable and undesirable to the extent that it has little contributory effect on IPv4. However it may not and discouraging serious consideration is actually a contributing factor preventing any such potential.
I certainly am not discouraging serious consideration… simply awaiting something sufficient complete to discuss. (Saying that “this proposal likely will create interoperability and usability challenges – but let’s all talk about the merits of it while ignoring that detail for now” doesn’t cut it – I’ve seen that approach once before and hasn’t turned out particularly well for anyone involved…) Best wishes, /John p.s. Disclaimer(s) - my views alone - please remember to have your arms and legs fully inside before the ride starts...
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- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC Fred Baker (Nov 26)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC David Conrad (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC Joe Maimon (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Jay Hennigan (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Joe Maimon (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC David Conrad (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC Joe Maimon (Nov 21)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC John Curran (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC John Curran (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC Joe Maimon (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC John Curran (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC Tom Beecher (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC John Curran (Nov 22)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211201009.AYC John Gilmore (Nov 27)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211232221.AYC Abraham Y. Chen (Nov 24)
- RE: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211232221.AYC Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG (Nov 24)
- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211232221.AYC Abraham Y. Chen (Nov 24)
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- Re: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211232221.AYC Abraham Y. Chen (Nov 26)
- RE: Alternative Re: ipv4/25s and above Re: 202211232221.AYC Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG (Nov 28)
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