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Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023
From: Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:31:29 -0400
William- I am trying to follow your train of thought here. Are you stating that it is somehow ARIN's responsibility to force a legal case to a conclusion solely to settle the question of legacy allocation rights, a problem which predates ARIN's existence? Or am I misunderstanding you? On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:22 PM William Herrin <bill () herrin us> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:00 PM John Curran <jcurran () arin net> wrote:We’ve actually had the matter before many judges, and have never beenordered to doanything other than operate the registry per the number resource policyas developed bythis community – this has been the consistent outcome throughout bothcivil and bankruptcyproceedings. Yes, we do settle cases, but only when that basicprinciple is upheld. At notime has the alternative (that for some reason legacy resource holdersdo not have meetthe policies developed by the ARIN community) been upheld in any ordersgranted – andnot for lack of trying.Well John, the thing about settled cases and orders the court -doesn't- make is that they create no precedent and ultimately fail to answer the legal question for the next case. All they show is that in cases where the registrant could prove he was the real registrant, ARIN offered terms more attractive to the registrant than pursuing litigation to its conclusion. Whatever line you'd have to cross for a registrant to go the distance with you in court, the status quo doesn't cross it.instead consistently end up settling with orders that recognize ARIN’s ability to operate the registry according to the community-developedpolicy That's quite an overstatement. As far as I'm aware, with respect to the legacy registrations the only order any court ever made was that within the facts of that particular case, ARIN could refuse to -record- a transfer of registration absent a contract. Regards, Bill Herrin -- For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
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- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023, (continued)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 18)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Aaron Wendel (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Owen DeLong via NANOG (Sep 18)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 18)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Tom Beecher (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 William Herrin (Sep 16)
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- Autoresponses from NANOG subscribers William Herrin (Sep 16)
- Re: Autoresponses from NANOG subscribers Tom Beecher (Sep 17)
- Re: Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 Niels Bakker (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 16)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Gilmore (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 19)
- Re: [External] Normal ARIN registration service fees for LRSA entrants after 31 Dec 2023 John Curran (Sep 19)