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Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference
From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy () andyring com>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:45:57 -0600
That’s exactly what I did. I was able to get a 3/4 conduit from my furnace room/network closet to the exterior of my home where utilities enter. It took some doing but I got it in, terminated in a NEMA box. When we got fiber a few years ago, the installer told me it was the easiest install he’s ever done. In that conduit I have fiber, coax, one Cat6 and also a sprinkler wire (whomever built my home had sprinklers put in the back yard but not the front, but I took care of that oversight). ---- Andy Ringsmuth 5609 Harding Drive Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 (402) 202-1230 andy () andyring com “A private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army. We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” -Thomas Jefferson
On Nov 27, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote: If I was building a house I'd just get some 1" conduit from the outside to the inside. Put it in a NEMA box. That solves the problem forever. As a fiber ISP, and assuming you're doing your own WiFi in the house, you can do conduit inside or we can just run the fiber. We don't want to run up/down walls and such. 99% of our installs are through the exterior wall and then a u6x covers the house. We run fiber If you're in a cableCo area just run coax to get to your modem/router situation. I'm not sure what the Cat5 is for outside. Ethernet isn't going to work and DSL is nearly dead already. On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 2:33 PM Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com> wrote: Thanks Brandon Martin, I agree 1-inch smurf tube is overkill for FTTH. From my quick research into all things FTTH, which I didn't know anything a week ago :-) ... The regulators in other countries still believe they will create competition. The 25mm/32mm access duct (I'm going to make up a new term, and just call it "access duct", i.e. that smurf tube, conduit, pathway thing) is big enough for either a fiber microduct, cat 6 copper or RG6 coax. Even a 12/24/48-volt DC power cable for active equipment at the NID/demarc. The regulators keep all their competitors happy by not favoring any particular technology. In practice, the countries with the biggest FTTH deployments have very little FTTH competition at the physical access layer. Microduct, microduct, microduct is what the dominant access provider wants in those countries. The dominant carrier wants builders to install "direct fiber" or "bypass fiber" microducts in new construction directly from every dwelling (house or apartment) to the carrier's central access point for the builder's development (apartment buildings or neighborhood). Microduct only means no pre-built access for other competitors. Apartment construction in Asia is very large. Several countries are also adding in-building mobile/wireless service requirements for new MDU building construction. My interpretation, not understanding the country-specific FTTH fights... The regulators appear to say, Ok, dominant carrier - you can have "direct fiber" microduct but builders must also provide an "open competition" 25mm/32mm access duct from the building entrance point (NID) or apartment consolidation points (CP) to the individual distribution box (DD) inside each dwelling. Just my uninformed take, corrections welcome.
Current thread:
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference, (continued)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 19)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 20)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Jay R. Ashworth (Nov 20)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 22)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Christopher Hawker (Nov 22)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 24)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 23)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 24)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Josh Luthman (Nov 27)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 27)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Andy Ringsmuth (Nov 27)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference owen--- via NANOG (Nov 27)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 28)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Mike Hammett (Nov 28)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 30)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 20)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Owen DeLong via NANOG (Nov 28)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 30)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference owen--- via NANOG (Nov 30)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Gary Buhrmaster (Nov 30)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Sean Donelan (Nov 30)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Brandon Martin (Nov 19)
- Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference Andy Ringsmuth (Nov 28)