Re: ARIN whois contact abuse from ipv4depot aka Silicon Desert International Inc

[Laura Smith via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

Honestly Mike I don't think they care.

I mean, most (all ?) of the registries still can't be bothered to validate the information the resource holders post to 
the database.  Last time I asked, e.g. RIPE about it, they basically said "not my problem guv" , pointed me to some 
policy document that said members should provide correct details and well, that was about it.

So if they don't do that, then what hope is there for them doing something about the harvesters ?


------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, October 12th, 2023 at 17:08, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:


> Do we know if the organizations with key Internet resources (ARIN, RIPE, PeeringDB, etc.) have any honeypots in their 
> arsenal? Obviously, publicly knowing about it kind of defeats the purpose of it, but that might be a way to help be 
> proactive - make fake entries with unique contact information to catch those harvesting.
>
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> From: "Mel Beckman" <mel () beckman org>
> To: "Tom Beecher" <beecher () beecher cc>
> Cc: "nanog () nanog org list" <nanog () nanog org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:01:20 AM
> Subject: Re: ARIN whois contact abuse from ipv4depot aka Silicon Desert International Inc
>
> Tom,
> When an ARIN member violates their agreement and spams from ARIN’s databases, it’s not just an “Internet is fertile 
> ground” deal. It’s a betrayal of a legal trust, one that demands accountability. I’m quite happy that ARIN promptly 
> responds to these abuses, and gets results. That only works if victims report spam and compare notes. Let the 
> “fertile ground” be elsewhere!
>
>  -mel beckman
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 2023, at 8:49 AM, Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote:
>
> > 
> >
> > > It's ridiculous that they resort to scraping public lists and DBs to try and achieve what they're attempting to 
> > > do.
> >
> >
> > Everyone is always looking for information they can use to advance some agenda or purpose. The internet is fertile 
> > ground for that. Always has been, always will be. 
> >
> > Not taking shots at anyone here, but I am boggled why this is a common public complaint. Block the sender and move 
> > on. 
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:56 PM Peter Potvin via NANOG <nanog () nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > Definitely have received this same spam multiple times and so have a few others I know. It's ridiculous that they 
> > > resort to scraping public lists and DBs to try and achieve what they're attempting to do.
> > > Regards,Peter Potvin | Executive Director
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Accuris Technologies Ltd.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is anyone else receiving spam from this organization? Based on the contents of the cold solicitations they are 
> > > > sending us, and the addresses being sent to, they have scraped ARIN WHOIS data for noc and abuse POC contact 
> > > > info and recent ipv4 block transfers. 
> > > > It's trivially easy to block their entire domain at the mail server level, of course...