Re: Pulling of Network Maps

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

I had that too. The map showed a facility was online. It wasn't. Lots of build to get there. 




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Midwest-IX 
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From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher () beecher cc> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:01:33 PM 
Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps 




If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale. 




My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors don't actually know where they are. :) 


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:18 PM Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 

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Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only 
upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes? 


Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps. 


The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA 
request or 811 design ticket away. 


I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when 
they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you 
are, you just plain won't get the sale. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

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