Re: AFRINIC placed in receivership

[Pascal Masha <pascalmasha () gmail com>]

My point exactly!

And it's so shameful that we have people trying to defend them by throwing
laws,bylaws, management blah blah..spoof coof attacks on AFRINIC processes.


We are not happy with the current situation and the member should be
awareness and we also noticed how rogue that member is during the election
period.




On Sat, 16 Sept 2023, 13:19 Eric Kuhnke, <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:

> I'm not quite sure that we agree on the meaning of "legitimate
> application" when a HK based corporate entity is using and claiming
> permanent rights to AFRINIC IP space, primarily for ISP operations in east
> asia.
>
> There have been multiple well documented instances of AFRINIC insiders
> with privileged access shoveling IP space out the back door by less than
> legitimate means. For a number of different suspicious recipients.
>
> Undoubtedly this is part of what contributed to its board members and
> management fleeing the organization in the face of litigation and
> investigations.
>
> The fact that these organizations that received IP space by less than
> honest means are now suing AFRINIC into financial oblivion honestly does
> not help the situation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 5:04 PM Delong.com <owen () delong com> wrote:
>
> > Noe… You are conflating two completely different cases, sir.
> >
> > CI submitted legitimate applications and their addresses were issued
> > prior to Ernest’s activities.
> >
> > You’re mixing Lu Heng up with Elad Cohen.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2023, at 16:32, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/international/1813989-the-strange-case-of-africas-stolen-ip-addresses
> >
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Ernest+Byaruhanga+afrinic
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 4:30 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > AFRINIC legitimately issued those (closer to 6M) IP addresses to Cloud
> > > Innovation based on justifications submitted. AFRINIC then attempted, using
> > > claims that usage out of region is not permitted by the bylaws
> > > (It is not prohibited by the bylaws, feel free to read them yourself),
> > > to reclaim those addresses.
> > >
> > > This is not what happened. AFRINIC issued those IP addresses to Cloud
> > > Innovations based on fundamental misrepresentations by the applicant and
> > > internal fraudulent activity conducted by a single employee within AFRINIC.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 4:17 PM Delong.com <owen () delong com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 15, 2023, at 15:05, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A much better explanation of the situation can be found at:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/03/nrs_afrinic_review/
> > > >
> > > > I also recommend that everyone who is not yet familiar with the issue
> > > > google Lu Heng and Cloud Innovations, the Hong Kong based corporate entity
> > > > in question which caused this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fair suggestion, but I wouldn’t say it’s fair to say Lu Heng or CI
> > > > caused this. I’d say that AFRINIC’s
> > > > leadership at the time had an at least equal role in creating the
> > > > problems and in failing to address
> > > > Them in a timely manner.
> > > >
> > > > CI didn’t sue AFRINIC for nothing. AFRINIC, in violation of the actual
> > > > text of their bylaws attempted
> > > > to revoke CI space and created major disruptions to a number of
> > > > networks in the process. Had CI
> > > > not received the injunctions they got from the courts, likely the
> > > > disruption would have been much
> > > > worse and caused some pretty wide-spread outages.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=lu+heng+cloud+innovation
> > > >
> > > > The short version of this is that a HK based corporate entity claims it
> > > > is the legitimate "owner" of 7 million AFRINIC IPs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AFRINIC legitimately issued those (closer to 6M) IP addresses to Cloud
> > > > Innovation based on justifications submitted. AFRINIC then attempted, using
> > > > claims that usage out of region is not permitted by the bylaws
> > > > (It is not prohibited by the bylaws, feel free to read them yourself),
> > > > to reclaim those addresses.
> > > >
> > > > AFRINIC whois and the courts have confirmed that Cloud Innovation is
> > > > the rightful registrant of those
> > > > addresses at the time and as of now. Until a court rules otherwise
> > > > (which is very unlikely at this point),
> > > > they don’t “own” the addresses, but they do “own” the rights to those
> > > > registrations in the AFRINIC
> > > > database.
> > > >
> > > > (Nobody “owns” any integers… Everyone remains equally free to use the
> > > > number 5 as much as they want.)
> > > >
> > > > Owen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:09 AM Bryan Fields <Bryan () bryanfields net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 9/13/23 9:27 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > > > > > I think this qualifies as potentially operational.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Afrinic placed in receivership, board elections to be held in six
> > > > > months:
> > > > > > https://archive.ph/jOFE4
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks like archive.ph is having problems.  This is the original
> > > > > article.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > https://www.capacitymedia.com/article/2c6pnx4ymt7sd5c493wg0/news/exclusive-afrinic-placed-in-receivership-board-elections-to-be-held-in-six-months
> > > > > --
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> > > > >
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> > > > > http://bryanfields.net