Re: physical security pentesting procedures, tips, audit programs?

[Don Lord <securitymailinglists () gmail com>]

> I'm sure you'll see numerous HIPPA violations with workstations being
left unlocked too.

i don't have enough digits on my body to count the HIPPA violations i
witnessed when my grandfather was recently in the hospital.... 3 feet
from his room there was a terminal with ip address, user name,
password and basic program functions posted to the screen!

its kind of hard to protect patient information when you can sit down
and login as doctor:doctor......


On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:12:24 -0500, Jerry Shenk
<jshenk () decommunications com> wrote:
> I would strongly recommend against DOSing anything.  I'd only do that
> during a cooperative assessment.  You really don't want to take some
> vital piece of equipment out while nobody really knows who you are.  You
> might look for DOSable devices and suggest a return visit because it
> probably is something that should be addressed....especially if you can
> connect to the network from an unattended RJ45 jack or wireless
> connection.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vic N [mailto:vic778 () hotmail com]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:40 AM
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> Subject: RE: physical security pentesting procedures, tips, audit
> programs?
>
> > From: marc spamcatcher <junk () zounds net>
> > To: pen-test () securityfocus com
> > Subject: physical security pentesting procedures, tips, audit programs?
> > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:41:28 -0600 (CST)
> >
> > I am performing a pentest of the physical security at a hospital.  Can
> > anyone offer procedures, methodologies, tips, etc on this?
>
> I'd suggest you look at the challenge from the viewpoint of an
> unattended
> patient left alone in an examination room.  I've seen instances where IP
> #'s
> are plainly labelled on wireless devices in public areas (such as an ER)
> and
> these IP's match simple ARIN lookups (do the ARIN lookups before you go
> in).
>   Patient rooms sometimes have multiple RJ45 jacks to secondary
> equipment
> networks that could easily be plugged into.  While it might not grant
> access
> to information, gaining access to and DOS'ing a network that say
> provides
> access to vitals monitoring could be a hospitals worst nightmare (and to
> be
> clear, I don't recommend doing it for a pen-test!) and should make your
> client take note.
>
> In this mode, I'm sure you'll see numerous HIPPA violations with
> workstations being left unlocked too.  My experience has been that
> you're
> not separated from your possessions even in an ER situation (it's just
> put
> in a bag and you hold on to it).  A standard notebook w/wireless and an
> RJ-45 cable idling ready to go in a non-descript bag...
>
> If you go in as a non-critical patient needing observation and not as a
> "stranger" you're bound to be left unattended in the "hurry up and wait"
>
> nature of treatement and have more than a few minutes to test.