Ethical Hacking Training

["Daryl Davis" <daryl () wcgmi com>]

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2ccs from me, 
First, you never learn anything in school.  You are taught the
basics, it is then up to you to go and learn how to use them, and
become advanced.  It is like someone who goes to school to become a
programmer, you are not a programmer when you leave the school, you
just know some syntax.  

Daryl R Davis
West Coast Game Management Inc. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Hoskins [mailto:mike () adept org] 
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:24 PM
> To: pen-test () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Ethical Hacking Training
>
>
> Don Parker wrote:
> > These courses are giving people unrealistic expectations of 
> what they 
> > will know after one
> > of these 1 week courses. Nothing wrong with trying to make 
> a dollar, but one should be 
> > honest as well in the process. It is doing a great 
> disservice to the industry as a whole 
> > to make people think that they will be a "hacker" after a 1 
> week course. It should be 
> > clearly stated that these courses are but an introduction 
> into the world of the true 
> > hacker. It will be up to the student to make of it what 
> they will, and then build upon it. 
> > Showing people what "Ethical Hacking" is all about is a 
> laudable goal. The thing is we 
> > must not forget our own ethics along the way to doing so in 
> pursuit of the almight dollar.
>
> i agree with what you are saying, but let's be honest...  if 
> someone is 
> actually dense enough to think they'll be a "hacker" after a one
> week  course, only half of which (if you're lucky) is actual
> "hands-on" lab  time...  well, let's just say they'll probably
> actually be happy to  "learn" how to use a port scanner.
>
> > Sorry for the rant folks, but this hits a sore spot for me.
>
> ditto.
>
> if you're a CISSP+whatever with 10+ years of industry 
> experience...  why 
> would you bother with such a course to begin with?  or even 
> think about 
> it?  by then, you know the only way you learn in life is hard work.
>  reading, brute force, lots of lab time...  there is no "one week" 
> answer.  so it would seem to me that these "ethical hacking"
> courses,  which many seem to feel are lacking in content, should
> quite 
> obviously 
> be seen as "but an introduction".  advertising claims may 
> make it less 
> obvious, as is often the case, but most people in our industry will
>  already have learned to read marketing brochures with their 
> spin-goggles 
> firmly attached.
>
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