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RE: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim
From: "Chris Poulter" <Chris.Poulter () uniqueworld net>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:29:25 +1100
Roger, I'm hoping Vista will be a surprise, my presumption (and presumptions are only a personal view) is based on the number of XP exploits over the 2006 period which could be considered the time that MS started to vamp up its security efforts, which I think is relative to the development time frames of Vista and its security implementations, and the "talk" of Vista exploits, although small, is actually relative to the number of Vista machines deployed and only RTM availability, with commercial coming next year. Mind you, I sort of void my argument above since most of the people doing vulnerability testing on Vista would have an illegal copy and are able to fully delve into Vista at this early stage of its life... Having said all that, maybe me saying "everyone is expecting" was premature as it was my presumption of the communities feelings based on past MS experiences, not solid fact....like you said, only time will tell...I personally like the intuitiveness of Vista and some of its new core features, the security and stability side on the other hand will play its course over the coming years... Chris -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Sels, Roger Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:11 PM To: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Chris, Good points. However how did you come to the ascertion that everyone is expecting lots of exploits ? I for one didn't express this opinion. Keeping Windows 2003 in mind (and how widely it's deployed, admittedly) we could be in for a surprise with Vista. Maybe that's too optimistic ; only time will tell. Kr Roger On Wed, December 20, 2006 12:54 am, Chris Poulter wrote:
50k per vulnerability opposed to hundreds (unlikely) 60-100k/year (unlikely) - the Q/A's might only get 40-50k/year, a security vulnerability technician would be the one getting paid the big bucks, but there wouldn't be "hundreds" of them? - how do you work that one
out
to be more feasible? Considering everyone is presuming there will be lots of exploits, 50k/exploit will equate to a much larger payout.... And exploit the exploiters? - how do you figure this one as well? Someone getting paid 50k/exploit is far more beneficial to the "exploiter" than getting nothing and just sharing the love....where MS would lose out more if this happened and leave them more exposed... I'm not arguing for either side of the case as I haven't looked into
it
enough to make my own judgment, but I don't think your assessment is accurate... -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com
[mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of Cody Tubbs Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:40 AM To: Radu Oprisan Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim It's cheaper to pay kids 50k for actually finding flaws, rather than paying hundreds of QA engineers 60-100k a pop to spend months finding nothing. Another reason M$ sucks, exploit the exploiters. -Cody Tubbs Radu Oprisan wrote:Ryan Meyer wrote:A number of popular tech news sources are reporting Trend Micro'sCTO,Raimund Genes, publicly claiming that there are "auctions" forzero-dayWindows Vista exploits. Further, he claims these auctions arefetchingapprox $50,000. Could anyone verify Trend Micro's claim?It seems dubious, at best, to me and possibly nothing more than pureFUD.Sorry to get off topic. Ryan MeyerThis could also be some covert way for microsoft to find their own vulnerabilities. That has happened before.
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Current thread:
- Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Ryan Meyer (Dec 19)
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Sels, Roger (Dec 19)
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Radu Oprisan (Dec 19)
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Cody Tubbs (Dec 19)
- RE: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Chris Poulter (Dec 19)
- RE: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Sels, Roger (Dec 19)
- RE: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Chris Poulter (Dec 19)
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Cody Tubbs (Dec 19)
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim Cody Tubbs (Dec 19)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Trend Micro's Vista "0day exploit auction" claim krymson (Dec 19)