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Re: Re: CISSP
From: shyaam () gmail com
Date: 20 Dec 2006 14:06:43 -0000
Dear All,
From this thread it is clearly seen that this conversation is a vicious cycle. Previously the same happened for some other Cert and it keeps happening like this for ever. Why cant someone ever think about reality for a while.
Certs are something in paper that tells the recruiter that you know the basic stuff that you have to know to enter a position. It is the minimal need or requirement. A cert is not compared to a degree or anything else. Certs just prove that you are UP-TO-Date on your skillsets which you quote in your resume. If you have a CISSP cert and if you write your skill sets to be Plumbing and drilling, it doesnt make sense, right. As in I donot mean to say that other technology people cannot write certifications, it is just something that is essential when you are looking for that particular field. It shows that you have the basic knowledge of what you need to know in that field. It doesnt show how much skills you have and to what level. CCIE is completely different. If you dont know everything about CISCO stuff, you cannot pass the exam as it is a 100% laboratory experiment including questions and stuff that are based on real life scenarios. If the same is repeated in question p aper format, then it is not a Pro like CCIE. It is only Basic knowledge. There are many of them in this list who has passed certs by using bootcamps and dumps. Do you expect them to know everything as a 50 yr old experienced guy in the SAME field. I dont think so. Experience is the best, and if not certs show that you have the basic knowledge in your field. Unger grad and grad shows that you have had the patience to manage the education and your foundations are stronger in Computer Science or the degree you have chosen in. Without foundations, pillars wouldnt stand. Foundations are most important for anything. It may be achieved by years of experience or by proper education. If you tell that you were born intelligent and education made you a fool, then understand that you are a fool for thinking like that and count the number of years you will be on the same level or go down in your level. Being modest is the best, accepting truth is even better. Self evaluation is best judgmental of what skills you possess. Being truthful on your experience and as well on the skill sets will help the security community keep clean. If you lie to the organizations that you possess experience and skill sets just because the community pays a lot of money, you are only shedding filth into the community. It is not going to help Securing anything. It is better to be honest and with good attitude. I am sure that this email may be offensive and the moderator may not even initiate in forwarding it. But the truth is not in what you have in the paper format, has it entered into your brain and if the answer is yes, are you good enough in using that when situation arises, it is the best if that is the case. Knowing the SOLUTIONS alone doesnt help. Similarly, having the skills alone doesnt protect anything. Using it at the right time at the right place in the right direction is the b est for improving the Security community. Think about it once again and if you feel that you are not yet good enough for securing stuff, get back to the fundamental jobs of programming and networking and get more foundations as you can. If people talks high-level jargons, it doesnt mean that they know stuff. It only means that their failure is seen soon. It is good to know stuff, but it is not always good to think in higher order. It is good to be very basic at your thoughts as that are the place of most weaknesses. Finding the weakness if the most essential part in the field of security. Good Luck and Merry Christmas. Shyaam
Current thread:
- RE: Re: CISSP, (continued)
- RE: Re: CISSP Mueller, Daniel (NMCI CIRT) (Dec 20)
- RE: CISSP Craig Wright (Dec 04)
- Re: RE: CISSP mr . nasty (Dec 04)
- RE: RE: CISSP Bates, Chris (Dec 05)
- Re: RE: CISSP Tim Shea (Dec 05)
- Re: Re: Re: CISSP mr . nasty (Dec 05)
- Re: CISSP Michael Krzeszkowski (Dec 05)
- Re: CISSP Michael Mooney (Dec 10)
- Re: Re: CISSP shyaam (Dec 20)
- Re: Re: CISSP R. DuFresne (Dec 27)