Re: Streamed Data

["Michael Painter" <tvhawaii () shaka com>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Streamed Data


> I must say that I am a little confused on what he means by 'streamed
> together'. It is stated that encryption was not used nor was it
> password protected (trivial anyway) so it sounds to me like security
> through obsecurity or an attempt to throw some random words out to
> confuse people in thinking that 'streaming' is a security measure. I
> know that there are many instances where there is a lot of data moving
> in a direction and is being streamed to that system (example:
> streaming feeds from a multimedia source or streaming transactions
> to/from a database). Even in those instances I don't see how that
> would protect the information. If it is not encrypted then I don't see
> how the information can remain confidential.

The MSNBC article references two disclosures, Equifax and ING.  The statement about not being 'password protected or encrypted' 
refers to the latter and 'streamed together' refers to the former.  Perhaps 'streamed together' means Steganos?

--Michael






> On 6/26/06, Eric Pinkerton <EPinkerton () soulaustralia com au> wrote:
> >  "It would be very difficult to link this information and determine they
> > were actual Social Security numbers in the first place," he said.
> >
> > Yeah unless the perpatrator uses said laptop to read the news!
> >
> > "The laptop was not password-protected and the data was not encrypted,
> > officials have said."
> >
> > So my guess is that this is positive spin to save the company
> > embarassment.
> >
> > For "almost impossible" read "possible"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Bogda [mailto:dan.bogda () kintera com]
> > Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2006 9:09 AM
> > To: killy; Pen-Tests
> > Subject: RE: Streamed Data
> >
> > "Employee names and partial and full Social Security numbers were on the
> > computer's hard drive, though Rubinger said it would be almost
> > impossible for the thief to decipher the information because it was
> > streamed together."
> >
> > It could be a network sniffer capture or data stream capture they are
> > referring to. Replication traffic and incremental logs throw the data
> > together in sequential order so multiple elements are streamed together,
> > it's pretty damn hard to decipher. That's my guess.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: killy [mailto:killfactory () gmail com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:59 AM
> > To: Pen-Tests
> > Subject: Streamed Data
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13437723/from/ET/
> >
> > refers to a laptop being stolen and that the data was unreadable because
> > it was streamed together.
> >
> > What are the refering to when they say streamed together?
> > Any links would be helpful.
> >
> > Then, how do we test such a feature? any tools?
> >
> >
> > Thanks - killy
> >
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