FC: Orrin Hatch yanks pornlink, video of "exploding PC" remarks up

[Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>]

Wow, the Hatch folks responded quickly. But at least the hearing video, the 
link to which had quietly disappeared from judiciary.senate.gov, is 
archived -- see the first message, below, from Dave Farber's IP list.

Also we see a problem with the Senate's web site (not just Hatch's). They 
don't check the URL given to a cgi-script against a list to ensure it's 
legitimate. So they run the risk of silliness like this:
http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.politechbot.com/
http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.sex.com/
http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.practicalanarchy.org/
http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.senatesucks.com/

Previous Politech message:
http://www.politechbot.com/p-04864.html

-Declan

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From: Michele Fuortes <mfuortes () med cornell edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:24:02 -0400
To: dave () farber net
Subject: Re: [IP] Orrin Hatch comments video available online

Hi Dave

The video of the Senate Judiciary Committee is available from the Senate
site at:

rtsp://video.webcastcenter.com/srs_g2/judiciary061703p.rm

The comments in question start around 1 hour:20 minutes into the file.
It does not seem to me that Sen. Hatch was making those comments as a joke.
But you and all IPers can listen to him yourself and judge.


Michele Fuortes

--
Michele Fuortes, MD/PhD
Assistant Professor
Departments of Surgery and of Cell and Developmental Biology
Cornell University  Medical College
E-mail: mfuortes () med cornell edu

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You can see Google's cache at:

http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:DsEbIR8MVosJ:www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm%3FFuseaction%3DStudents.Utah+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Please remove my e-mail if you quote me.

Alex Neuman
Panama City, Republic of Panama

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Declan,

do you happen to have a copy - or know of anyone who has a copy of Hatch's 
embarrassing video with the 'hack the PC' statement?

i've just completed remixing an album made from Madonna's 'what the fuck do 
you think you're doing?' decoy mp3s [see 
http://www.madgelloland.org/irixx/madonna/ , album available at 
http://www.justablip.co.uk] . Tom Barger, a fellow political campaigner, 
suggested to myself and John von Seggern of Digital Cutup Lounge that the 
Hatch statement might be an ideal target for a followup remix campaign. it 
would make an excellent statement for fair use rights to chop up his words 
and use them in a parody!

do feel free to include this letter on your mailing list, if you feel its 
possible that anyone might still have the video file. i can be contacted at 
iriXx AT iriXX DOT org.

all the best, and thank you as ever for running such an invaluable mailing 
list and for continuing to expose and uphold the truth.

iriXx

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Reply-To: <ncochrane () theage fairfax com au>
From: "Nathan Cochrane" <ncochrane () theage fairfax com au>
To: <declan () well com>
Subject: RE: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:16:40 +1000

Hi Declan

I've updated Ramblings with the link:

http://bilskirnir.blogspot.com/

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Subject: Re: FC: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site
To: declan () well com
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:34:03 +0000 (GMT)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030620002740.041ca488 () zdnet07 zdz cnwk> from 
"Declan McCullagh" at Jun 20, 2003 12:33:34 AM
From: Jack <jack () rigley org>


Declan McCullagh said:
>
> It's no joke. If you go to Orrin Hatch's site and click on "my utah search"
> on the right, you'll end up at a porn site:
> http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah
>
> This is of course the same Orrin Hatch who's an unapologetic antiporn 
crusader:
> http://www.politechbot.com/p-03467.html
>
> And hardly a friend of free expression in general:
> http://www.politechbot.com/p-00600.html
>
> Go to Hatch's page before the link is removed. On Wednesday afternoon, the
> extremely embarrassing video file with Hatch's destroy-the-PCs remarks
> was  quietly disappeared from judiciary.senate.gov.

It's already gone.  But it's still there in Google's cache:
<http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:DsEbIR8MVosJ:www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm%3FFuseaction%3DStudents.Utah+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8>

Based on the DNS record, I'd wager that the link originally led somewhere
else, but that changed about a month ago...

   Checking server [whois.enom.com]
   Results:
   Domain name- myutahsearch.com

   Nameservers-
       ns.10k.net
       ns3.10k.net

   Start of registration- 05/14/03 00:00:00
   Registered through- 05/14/04 00:00:00


Jack

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:41:52 -0700
From: Anthony Mournian <mournian () sandiego edu>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 
Netscape/7.0
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: declan () well com
Subject: Re: FC: Orrin Hatch's personal homepage links to a porn site

Declan,

It seems to have been removed from the homepage, but not from this link:

<<http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/>http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com

One wonders how this happened! A bit like Mr. William Bennett? Is this 
comeuppance?

Now I suppose TIA will track everyone of us who has gone to the site within 
the last 24 hours.

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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:21:22 +0200
From: Ole Andersen <ole () palnatoke net>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) 
Gecko/20030425
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, da, sv, nb, no, sv-fi, nn
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: declan () well com

> > Go to Sen. Hatch's web site 
> > <<http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah>http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Students.Utah> 
> > [senate.gov] and click on the "MyUtahSearch.com" 
> > <<http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/>http://www.senate.gov/cgi-bin/exitmsg?url=http://www.myutahsearch.com/> 
> > [senate.gov] graphic on the right hand side of the page.  It redirects 
> > you to a [not safe for work] pr0n site.

No MyUtahSearch.com anymore - now it has SkiUtah.com

--
Ole Andersen, Copenhagen, DK * ole () palnatoke net * http://palnatoke.net
Thesis #14: Corporations do not speak in the same voice as these new
networked conversations. To their intended online audiences, companies
sound hollow, flat, literally inhuman.             - Cluetrain Manifesto

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Subject: RE: Orrin Hatch: It's OK to destroy P2P pirates' computers
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:25:31 -0700
Message-ID: <9B52AA04500C5F468E3B6EEADA7490850FFDA5 () mxa apollomedia com>
From: "Clinton D. Fein" <clinton.fein () apollomedia com>
To: <declan () well com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Wouldn't it be absolutely fantastic if politicians self-destructed after
ignoring two stern warnings against proposing idiotic legislation? If
that's the only way,
then I'm all for their self-destruction. If you have just a few of
those, I think politicians would realize the seriousness of their
actions. There's no excuse for blatant stupidity by those elected to
serve our interests.

Hatch's proposal would potentially unleash irreparable damage on
innocent people, including legitimate copyright holders, destroying
personal or sensitive materials. Given Orrin Hatch was spending fortunes
to tell us what he would do when elected President with less than 1% of
potential voters behind him, it's actually remarkable that anyone
actually can take what he says seriously, or consider his comments with
a straight face.

If he wasn't one of the dangerous loose canon, backtracking, slimy
hypocrites stacking the courts I would find his preposterous proposal
amusing.

Clinton
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