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Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference?
From: Michal Labedzki <michal.labedzki () tieto com>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:35:57 +0100
In what ways is it used that its disappearance would be a big loss rather than, at most, a minor loss?
For me: big loss How to inform user that Wireshark support some translations if you remove user choose of it? It will be big problem for users. I check some applications: assistant, designer works in Guy Harris mode, but more advanced like Qt Creator (https://qt-project.org/doc/qtcreator-2.6/creator-faq.html), Firefox let user choose language. See how do that Pidgin: https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#HowdoesPidginforWindowsdeterminewhichlanguagetouse ------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I change the language of Pidgin? For the user who installed Pidgin, the language selected during installation will be the default. This can be overridden by setting the PIDGINLANG environment variable (for example, PIDGINLANG=de). If neither of these are specified, it will fall back to the default Windows user locale setting. Note that if the translation for the specified language isn't present, Pidgin will fall back to the English default. See below for how to install additional translations. 1. Install the translation using the installer if it is not already installed. To do this, select the appropriate 'Localization' component from the 'Components selection' screen. You will have to select the ISO-code (the "Alpha-2 code" from this table) of the desired language. Once this is done, you should see the installed translations in the locale subdirectory of the directory where you installed Pidgin(%ProgramFiles%\Pidgin by default) - there will be one folder per language. 2. Select the language of your preference setting the PIDGINLANG environment variable (add it if it isn't already there) to the ISO-code of the desired language. (Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Environment Variables) 3. Restart Pidgin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my opinion this is not easy! Wireshark current solution is much better. Please note that I use English Wireshark, when Polish translation will be available I will use it on my English Ubuntu, but in home I want to use Italian Wireshark and sometimes Polish/English. Set language in GUI is really helpful. And... we can change default behaviour and add possibility to change language in runtime, without saving this preference. Using environment variable is not user friendly. On 5 November 2014 19:00, Pascal Quantin <pascal.quantin () gmail com> wrote:
2014-11-05 18:31 GMT+01:00 Guy Harris <guy () alum mit edu>:On Nov 5, 2014, at 2:30 AM, Pascal Quantin <pascal.quantin () gmail com> wrote:2014-11-05 11:12 GMT+01:00 Michal Labedzki <michal.labedzki () tieto com>:Please run "LC_ALL=it_IT wireshark"Does it work on Windows? I do not remember to know anyone GUI application without option to change language by GUI. Do you know how to change locale after running application? (QEvent::LocaleChange ?) If this is not possible then dynamic change application language will be lost.+1. Most software I use allow me to manually override the language without messing with the environment variables.Do you use any GUI applications other than Wireshark?Yes, tons of as I'm on Windows :)On what operating system do you use them?See aboveDo they all offer a manual language override, so that you can set a particular application's language independently of your personal "global" language setting?The only ones I can think to supporting multiple languages without a GUI option to set it are... command line based coming from Linux world (like mercurial) and here I do use the environment variable. But it's more painful for a lazy guy and not a common use case for a standard Windows user I think. Moreover I prefer to have a good interface in English rather than a partial / bad French translation :)And here we are talking about a functionality we already have.This is functionality we have in the Qt version, which most people aren't using, and which is still incomplete. I.e., it's functionality we have in a version under development.Agreed, but it's also the first time we introduce language support so it's the right time to discuss this kind of thing.I do not at all agree with, and will never agree with, the belief that removing existing functionality is inherently wrong. If the functionality is unused, or is rarely used and if its capabilities can be achieved in another way, I consider that a very good reason to consider removing it.I understand your point. On the other point it's really common practice (at least on Windows) to allow user to select the language from the GUI.Removing it would be a big loss in my opinion.In what ways is it used that its disappearance would be a big loss rather than, at most, a minor loss?For me: a minor loss as I know the environment variables allowing to override it. For the common Windows user, it might be a bigger loss. Pascal. ___________________________________________________________________________ Sent via: Wireshark-dev mailing list <wireshark-dev () wireshark org> Archives: http://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev Unsubscribe: https://wireshark.org/mailman/options/wireshark-dev mailto:wireshark-dev-request () wireshark org?subject=unsubscribe
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- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference?, (continued)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Bálint Réczey (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Dario Lombardo (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Michal Labedzki (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Pascal Quantin (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Bálint Réczey (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Pascal Quantin (Nov 05)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Alexis La Goutte (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Michal Orynicz (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Michal Labedzki (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Michal Labedzki (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Alexis La Goutte (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Michal Labedzki (Nov 06)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 07)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Alexis La Goutte (Nov 07)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 07)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Guy Harris (Nov 07)
- Re: On which platforms is there a need for Wireshark to have a "Language" preference? Bálint Réczey (Nov 05)