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Re: Windows Server 2003
From: "@Lx" <fastjoey () wanadoo fr>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:28:41 +0200
If anyone knows of a system that is secure out of the box, let us know right away. Otherwise we will continue assuming that it is an impossibility.
agreed
----- Original Message ----- From: "Meidinger Chris" <chris.meidinger () badenit de> To: "'Sean Earp'" <smearp () mac com>; "Chris Halverson" <chris.halverson () encana com> Cc: <Security-Basics () Securityfocus com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: AW: Windows Server 2003 If anyone knows of a system that is secure out of the box, let us know right away. Otherwise we will continue assuming that it is an impossibility. So, as long as that notion of 'automatic no-work security' is gone, i am quite happy with the machine i'm working with right now and testing in a metaframe xp environment. Everything is off, and you have to select to install pretty much any service. As far as the nmap output you provided chris wanstrath, considering everything you have on the machine, you don't need to be suprised. I nmapped my machine right away before i did anything to it, and i'm pretty sure there nothing more than windows file sharing open, which is to be expected on the *non* web-server version. By the way, I really like the shutdown feature that you have to explain why the machine is going down. If you are working in a shop where the machine doesn't belong to you alone, then it's nice to know why the guy who went on vacation last week was booting the box 20 times a day. (assuming he doesn't write that it was because of qwertz) In general, i have to say that i like the 2003 server a whole lot, it's hard to describe, but a lot of the things that always annoyed me on the 2000 server seem to be just gone. It's a really nice system* considering that it's windoze. *not that i'm going to abandon my linux machines anytime soon for it. Chris Meidinger badenIT GmbH System Support Tel. +49 761 279 2280 Fax. +49 761 279 2200 Tullastrasse 70 79108 Freiburg Deutschland -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Sean Earp [mailto:smearp () mac com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. September 2003 22:20 An: Chris Halverson Cc: Security-Basics () Securityfocus com Betreff: Re: Windows Server 2003 Chris- Well, "secure by default" means that it ships with NOTHING activated. IIS, etc is turned off, and Internet Explorer is virtually unusable out of the box (NO site is trusted, and you have to explicitly trust a site to download, or do just about anything). Is it more secure out of the box than Windows 2000? Sure. Is it immune to common attack vectors such as Buffer overflows? HECK NO! Windows Server 2003 was fully vulnerable to the exploit that the Blaster worm used, and according to news.com <http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5074008.html?tag=fd_top>, two MORE variations of the same security hole were just found, meaning that W2K3 Boxes with the last RPC patch installed are STILL FULLY VULNERABLE TO COMPLETE TAKEOVER by a remote host. Better than previous attempts? Yes... Secure? No. Just my 2 cents... -Sean On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 05:37 AM, Chris Halverson wrote:
What does everyone think of the hype around Windows Server 2003 being secure by default? Has anyone implemented one in your environment?
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Current thread:
- AW: Windows Server 2003 Meidinger Chris (Sep 11)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 @Lx (Sep 11)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 Rick Hale (Sep 12)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 - Not secure from my test but OSX from Mac is secure from the start Randy Opper (Sep 12)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 - Not secure from my test but OSX from Mac is secure from the start Sebastian Schneider (Sep 15)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 Rick Hale (Sep 12)
- Re: Windows Server 2003 @Lx (Sep 11)