Re: Re: chat logs

["Steve" <securityfocus () delahunty com>]

In my home, I am the corporation, my kids have a right to privacy but I am
granting that right and I maintain the right to monitor with or without
their knowledge.  This is called parenting.  I don't care to wait for the
bomb to go off to make it right. My authority to protect and care for my
children may entail my monitoring their use of our computers, and that is my
moral right as a parent.

STEVE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Stiavetti" <stiavetti () rentoneonline com>
To: "Melissa Fischer" <Melissa.Fischer () NorthMemorial com>;
<security-basics () securityfocus com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: chat logs


I think you are all overreacting, this type of action might be warranted,
had an actual bomb been found, or went off. You are talking about invading
the privacy of a group of people, based on the actions of one or 2
(possible) members of that group, and quite possibly nobody in the group is
involved at all. The kids who did made the threats did it for attention, and
now you feel the need to get even.

Just because the technical ability to perform the search (anyone doing
anything seriously illegal is going to cover their tracks anyways) does not
give you the right or moral authority to do so. Sounds like the witch-hunt
is an excuse to invade, not a cause.

How many parents will only find out their kids are sexually active, on
drugs, gay, or just hate them. Most things private are best left private for
all involved.

To give the excuse "if they are doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to
hide" is a common phrase that stands out to characterize the mentality
involved. This has little to do with security, agreed. It's abuse of power.
Everyone has things best left private (which is ill equated with "to hide")
it's usually the ones peeking who have the most secrets.  Anyone remember J
Edgar Hoover? go figure..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melissa Fischer" <Melissa.Fischer () NorthMemorial com>
To: <security-basics () securityfocus com>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: chat logs


FYI

Melissa Fischer
Database Administrator
Data  and System Engineering
North Memorial Health Care
763/520-1533
melissa.fischer () northmemorial com

> > > Melissa Fischer 5/13/2005 10:49:39 AM >>>
I understand your concern, apparently you must not be a parent.
I have raised 3 sons, 24, 20 and now an 8 year old.  Teenagers talk to EACH
OTHER, not to their parents.
Our parents HAVE personally talked to their children, looking at files on
their computers is not taking away their privacy, if they are doing nothing
wrong, then there is nothing to hide and have "private".



Melissa Fischer
Database Administrator
Data  and System Engineering
North Memorial Health Care
763/520-1533
melissa.fischer () northmemorial com

> > > Mihai Amarandei <mihai () xmcopartners com> 5/13/2005 9:45:28 AM >>>
I'm glad too se everyone helping out to find the logs and giving advice
on how to search those teen-agers web history.
Just me(and this has nothing to do with security), but wouldn't it be
better that each parent asked directly its children about such incidents
instead of searching and digining through their logs and web history?
I for one wouldn't like it that my parents knew all my browsing and
chatting habbits, and I think this is the case for most of today's
persons. Teens are as ,uch entitled to their privacy "apriori" as anyone
else in my opinion.
I know all I've said has not much to do with security (actually it has
to do with privacy), but neither is searching for logs.
I'm not trying to undermine the importance of the threat and the gravity
of the situation, I just don't think such an intrusion of privacy would
be a good answer.


Mihai
Blog: http://secinternship.blogspot.com

Melissa Fischer wrote:

> Our community, Waconia, Minnesota has recently been the victims of
> threats against our children and schools.
> http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5399090.html
>
> The Emergency Response Task Force assigned to our case asked parents to
> go home and check their kids computers for any chats or emails with
> information.
>
> We are trying to find a document explaining where and what to look at
> to find any information.  We would like to post this on our school main
> page www.waconia.k12.mn.us for a resource for parents to use on how to
> find any information.  Can you tell me where to find this information?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
>
>
> Melissa Fischer
> Database Administrator
> Data  and System Engineering
> North Memorial Health Care
> 763/520-1533
> melissa.fischer () northmemorial com


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