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RE: The home user problem returns
From: "Tina Bird" <tbird () precision-guesswork com>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:17:58 -0700
i disagree. i don't know *anyone* who willingly makes a fundamental, significant change in their behavior without pain as amotivator. for everyexample of your first category that you can present, i can*probably*demonstrate that the "apparent" change is really an exampleof the personbehaving consistently with some deeper part of theirpersonality, whichisn't changing.Whether you believe the first kind of choice exists or not doesn't really matter. Perhaps I just like to believe that it does so that I can have a bit more faith in the intelligence (latent intelligence?) of humanity. :)
good point. and is it intelligence or wisdom? hard to say.
At any rate, I'm glad that you believe change due to pain is possible. Just to be clear, I don't mean pain forced upon someone, I mean pain that people experience as a result of their own action or inaction.
if i force the pain upon people based on their actions or inaction, does that still count? cos they're mostly not volunteering for it...
I do the same thing. I usually also follow up by telling my mom or dad why I did it and take that as an opportunity to tell them a bit about what other things they may want to think about to help protect themselves.
to some extent, though, that's audience dependent. my dad is always very interested in what i've done and what he needs to know himself, because he's very curious about computers, and he likes to understand how things work. my mom, on the other hand, really *doesn't* want to know. which is another way of saying, i suppose, that it's only the choir, or potential chorists, who will *ever* listen to us. at least without the pain.
Arrogant maybe. Intrusive probably. However, I still think it's a great idea. That's kind of what I've been looking at except that I have to be more reactive than proactive, so I'm planning to go with the leper colony or penalty box idea.
carrot, meet stick. stick, meet carrot :-) p.s. disclosure: i'm security architect for infoexpress, a company that produces one of these endpoint enforcement systems...i joined them after surviving blaster at stanford, and deciding that endpoint enforcement was going to change the universe...yeah right... _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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